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You're right. WhatsApp Business API has a cost (which varies depending on country and type of message the Business initiates). I'm hoping to recover the cost th

by rahulg 2y ago

You're right. WhatsApp Business API has a cost (which varies depending on country and type of message the Business initiates). I'm hoping to recover the cost through monthly subscriptions.

loremm 2y ago
Huh yeah that's good to hear. As a small note, on my personal bot I set up a simple journaling (and then just used google sheets as the backend!) includes a nominal 'rating' 1-10 so I can see how my mood fluctuates. Especially if they do it every day/most days, having the option to see what you wrote "on this day" 2-3 years back is great. Especially when I try to include people's names who I was interacting with (but who are easy to forget 3 years later). It can be a nice reminder to text them and say you were "just randomly", unprompted, thinking about them -- 'How's it going?'
- rahulg 2y ago
  I do agree that getting to read entries from your past is quite magical and has to be experienced to really understand it. Fantastic that you've set it up for yourself.
loremm 2y ago
And I think you can do more about E2E encrypting it. Or at least trying to. At some point, people don't want plaintext journals floating around stored permanently. Although I know it starts as cleartext on whatsapp's servers
- sangnoir 2y ago
  > Although I know it starts as cleartext on whatsapp's servers WhatsApp uses the Signal protocol[1], so the text is never plaintext on the wire (or servers). 1. https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/ https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/
- meiraleal 2y ago
  Easy to say, very difficult to implement it right (and implementing it not right is diffcult AND useless). Also, let's be clear here, whatsapp E2EE is a joke.
  - ylk 2y ago
    > whatsapp E2EE is a joke Could you please elaborate why (in detail)?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - grvdrm 2y ago
      Yes - I would love that too. Please back that up?
    - jusepal 2y ago
      My guess is since its closed source, no one beside them can verify that the supposedly e2e is even true, or exist in current latest binary. Sort of telling everyone that I've got a mountain of gold inside my house but the door is locked, no one beside me could verify my claim. Security and/or privacy via obscurity is moot.
      - meiraleal 2y ago
        They also handle and store users backup unencrypted by default so they have access to all messages in plaintext in multiple opportunities.
        ylk 2y ago
        Meta has access to the backups that are stored on each individual’s Google Drive/iCloud? How does that work exactly? Please elaborate.
        meiraleal 2y ago
- compootr 2y ago
  > people don't want plaintext journals floating around stored permanently this is facebook. they're data-mining pictures of your dog for money. I don't think privacy/safety is expectable with meta

by rahulg 2y ago

You're right. WhatsApp Business API has a cost (which varies depending on country and type of message the Business initiates). I'm hoping to recover the cost through monthly subscriptions.

loremm 2y ago

Huh yeah that's good to hear. As a small note, on my personal bot I set up a simple journaling (and then just used google sheets as the backend!) includes a nominal 'rating' 1-10 so I can see how my mood fluctuates. Especially if they do it every day/most days, having the option to see what you wrote "on this day" 2-3 years back is great. Especially when I try to include people's names who I was interacting with (but who are easy to forget 3 years later). It can be a nice reminder to text them and say you were "just randomly", unprompted, thinking about them -- 'How's it going?'

rahulg 2y ago
I do agree that getting to read entries from your past is quite magical and has to be experienced to really understand it. Fantastic that you've set it up for yourself.

loremm 2y ago

And I think you can do more about E2E encrypting it. Or at least trying to. At some point, people don't want plaintext journals floating around stored permanently. Although I know it starts as cleartext on whatsapp's servers

sangnoir 2y ago
> Although I know it starts as cleartext on whatsapp's servers WhatsApp uses the Signal protocol[1], so the text is never plaintext on the wire (or servers). 1. https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/ https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/
meiraleal 2y ago
Easy to say, very difficult to implement it right (and implementing it not right is diffcult AND useless). Also, let's be clear here, whatsapp E2EE is a joke.
- ylk 2y ago
  > whatsapp E2EE is a joke Could you please elaborate why (in detail)?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - grvdrm 2y ago
    Yes - I would love that too. Please back that up?
  - jusepal 2y ago
    My guess is since its closed source, no one beside them can verify that the supposedly e2e is even true, or exist in current latest binary. Sort of telling everyone that I've got a mountain of gold inside my house but the door is locked, no one beside me could verify my claim. Security and/or privacy via obscurity is moot.
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      They also handle and store users backup unencrypted by default so they have access to all messages in plaintext in multiple opportunities.
      - ylk 2y ago
        Meta has access to the backups that are stored on each individual’s Google Drive/iCloud? How does that work exactly? Please elaborate.
        meiraleal 2y ago
compootr 2y ago
> people don't want plaintext journals floating around stored permanently this is facebook. they're data-mining pictures of your dog for money. I don't think privacy/safety is expectable with meta