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How much of your 8 hours at the office is productive work? In my experience, half the day is spent on coffee breaks and lunch anyway.

Malcolmlisk 2y ago
In my company we decided to go to the office 1 day every week. It´s completely optional and most of the people come. For us, that day is almost 100% lost. You spend the morning in some calls, dailies and things like that, and ofcourse taking some coffees and talking to people that you didnt see in 1 week. I even send myself notes for the next days when i work from home where im more productive.
otabdeveloper4 2y ago
> How much of your 8 hours at the office is productive work? That's your management's problem, not yours. Your labor contract says that you owe the company your time, how they use it is not your business.
- consteval 2y ago
  This sounds like you're focused more on punishment than on outcomes. If the outcome is the same in or out of office (that is, hours of unproductive time a day), then it seems to me you're upset that people are able to enjoy that time. Requiring and taking time for purposes other than creating value for the company is nothing more than punishment. I understand being angry that you're sitting in the office twiddling thumbs while others are at home cooking. The solution here is not to punish those people for your own, and everyone's, in-office woes. The solution is to demand better for yourself. I work in an office 5 days a week. I'll say right now - close to half of my time is wasted. However, I am still here in the office. Yes that absolutely sucks to know I could work 20 hours a week and achieve the same outcome. However, I am not "better" because I have enjoyed the punishment of spending that time. I am not more loyal nor more proficient. I am not less lazy. Pain IS NOT gain - that's a lie told by people with the intention of manipulating you to argue in favor of your own exploitation.
- erik_seaberg 2y ago
  It's typical for salaried positions in tech to be exempt. I was last paid hourly by a body shop nearly 20 years ago.

Malcolmlisk 2y ago

In my company we decided to go to the office 1 day every week. It´s completely optional and most of the people come. For us, that day is almost 100% lost. You spend the morning in some calls, dailies and things like that, and ofcourse taking some coffees and talking to people that you didnt see in 1 week. I even send myself notes for the next days when i work from home where im more productive.

otabdeveloper4 2y ago

> How much of your 8 hours at the office is productive work? That's your management's problem, not yours. Your labor contract says that you owe the company your time, how they use it is not your business.

consteval 2y ago
This sounds like you're focused more on punishment than on outcomes. If the outcome is the same in or out of office (that is, hours of unproductive time a day), then it seems to me you're upset that people are able to enjoy that time. Requiring and taking time for purposes other than creating value for the company is nothing more than punishment. I understand being angry that you're sitting in the office twiddling thumbs while others are at home cooking. The solution here is not to punish those people for your own, and everyone's, in-office woes. The solution is to demand better for yourself. I work in an office 5 days a week. I'll say right now - close to half of my time is wasted. However, I am still here in the office. Yes that absolutely sucks to know I could work 20 hours a week and achieve the same outcome. However, I am not "better" because I have enjoyed the punishment of spending that time. I am not more loyal nor more proficient. I am not less lazy. Pain IS NOT gain - that's a lie told by people with the intention of manipulating you to argue in favor of your own exploitation.
erik_seaberg 2y ago
It's typical for salaried positions in tech to be exempt. I was last paid hourly by a body shop nearly 20 years ago.