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It seems pretty clear to me that the main target of this is ARM Chromebooks, at least for now. As these are the only products currently shipping in any relevant

It seems pretty clear to me that the main target of this is ARM Chromebooks, at least for now. As these are the only products currently shipping in any relevant numbers where this makes sense.

saagarjha 2y ago
Mobile?
hsjdhdvsk 2y ago
Arm windows laptops?
- chithanh 2y ago
  You don't need Proton for that, and the article talks about Valve testing proton-arm64.
gpderetta 2y ago
An ARM based steam deck seems more likely.
- chithanh 2y ago
  But unlike ARM Chromebooks, an ARM Steam Deck does not exist today, and will not exist until at least November 2025 per Valve statements. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-09/new-steam-deck-with-oled-screen-more-storage-coming-from-valve https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-09/new-steam... (archived link w/o paywall: https://archive.md/VWvsW https://archive.md/VWvsW )
  - gpderetta 2y ago
    I think it is pretty clear that Valve plays the long game. Proton existed for years before SD was released.
    - dagmx 2y ago
      Proton didn’t exist in a vacuum though. It existed for Valves previously failed vision of the Steam Machine. Those were actual product lines that existed (briefly) to go along with Proton. The Steam Deck was Valve finally getting sick of nobody doing what they wanted, and technology getting to where they could do something more interesting than just another desktop.
      - gpderetta 2y ago
        Proton came well after the steam machine failed. It was plan B.
        dagmx 2y ago
        I could have worded it better but that’s my point. It was sort of their third attempt to make Linux gaming a thing (steamOS 2 + proton) before they finally came up with a compelling product of their own.
mmcnl 2y ago
Since you're talking volume: what about MacBooks?
- chithanh 2y ago
  MacBooks certainly have volume, but Wine/Proton on macOS is facing serious technical challenges which they only started to address (Wine 9.0 with WoW64 was only released in January). Chromebooks are much lower hanging fruit.
  - zamadatix 2y ago
    Valve contracts ~a dozen developers from Codeweavers (same folks that develop Codeweavers and the downstream open source project WINE) for Proton and they've had 32 bit Windows executables working on macOS (despite the native limitations) for years.

It seems pretty clear to me that the main target of this is ARM Chromebooks, at least for now. As these are the only products currently shipping in any relevant numbers where this makes sense.

saagarjha 2y ago

Mobile?

hsjdhdvsk 2y ago

Arm windows laptops?

chithanh 2y ago
You don't need Proton for that, and the article talks about Valve testing proton-arm64.

gpderetta 2y ago

An ARM based steam deck seems more likely.

chithanh 2y ago
But unlike ARM Chromebooks, an ARM Steam Deck does not exist today, and will not exist until at least November 2025 per Valve statements. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-09/new-steam-deck-with-oled-screen-more-storage-coming-from-valve https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-09/new-steam... (archived link w/o paywall: https://archive.md/VWvsW https://archive.md/VWvsW )
- gpderetta 2y ago
  I think it is pretty clear that Valve plays the long game. Proton existed for years before SD was released.
  - dagmx 2y ago
    Proton didn’t exist in a vacuum though. It existed for Valves previously failed vision of the Steam Machine. Those were actual product lines that existed (briefly) to go along with Proton. The Steam Deck was Valve finally getting sick of nobody doing what they wanted, and technology getting to where they could do something more interesting than just another desktop.
    - gpderetta 2y ago
      Proton came well after the steam machine failed. It was plan B.
      - dagmx 2y ago
        I could have worded it better but that’s my point. It was sort of their third attempt to make Linux gaming a thing (steamOS 2 + proton) before they finally came up with a compelling product of their own.

mmcnl 2y ago

Since you're talking volume: what about MacBooks?

chithanh 2y ago
MacBooks certainly have volume, but Wine/Proton on macOS is facing serious technical challenges which they only started to address (Wine 9.0 with WoW64 was only released in January). Chromebooks are much lower hanging fruit.
- zamadatix 2y ago
  Valve contracts ~a dozen developers from Codeweavers (same folks that develop Codeweavers and the downstream open source project WINE) for Proton and they've had 32 bit Windows executables working on macOS (despite the native limitations) for years.