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> ...told me distainfully that the only consequence of ULEZ was that they were not going to drive as much. Did they not realise that's literally the whole poin
by zik 2y ago
> ...told me distainfully that the only consequence of ULEZ was that they were not going to drive as much.
Did they not realise that's literally the whole point?
- iamacyborg 2y agoThe point isn’t to stop folks from driving. The point was to stop them using highly polluting cars.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y agoThe point is to stop them using highly polluting cars OR stop driving altogether OR something in the middle. So the person you're responding to is right. The "older people" were saying in a roundabout away that they'd rather stop driving than playing along by getting less polluting car. And the correct answer to that is indeed: "you've made your choice, that was the entire point".
- nzjrs 2y agoNow do LTNs
- iamacyborg 2y agoStop ubers and white vans taking shortcuts down residential streets that are being made unsafe by high amounts of traffic.
- nzjrs 2y agoI'm not british either, but I understand the culture here is to disparage and discriminate against poor people in a slightly more polite and indirect way.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y agoFines are discrimination against poor people, got it. They don't have those in wherever you're from?
- iamacyborg 2y agoLTN's are mostly in poor neighbourhoods, this is preventing high amounts of traffic in them. https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/mar/02/low-traffic-schemes-benefit-most-deprived-londoners-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/mar/02...
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- Earw0rm 2y agoOr just.. use it less, and pay the appropriate fee when they do. £10 a couple of times a week seems a pretty good deal if you're used to getting place by overground train & bus.
- throwawayffffas 2y ago> The point is to stop them using highly polluting cars OR stop driving altogether OR something in the middle. You can get a compliant car for as little as 1000 pounds. Virtually all gasoline powered cars after 2010 are compliant. It's not about stopping people driving altogether.
- chgs 2y agoMy 20 year old car I bought 18 months ago for £1100 is ulez compliant. I struggle to work out what isn’t to be honest. It’s not a barrier to driving.
- djd20 2y agoPresumably this car is a small and light one - not a large truck that takes a lot of space and pollutes a lot...
- chgs 2y agoSure. Wouldn’t drive an enormous car. I live in the county, would struggle on the narrow lanes with one of those Chelsea tractors. Big cars are only needed in the city.
- Fradow 2y agoULEZ and similar scheme are not about vehicle size. They are about Euro-spec of the engine. There is a very vocal opposition against those: big recent SUVs are compliant, but small old cars are not, which goes against how people perceive their respective emissions. In general: - any EV or hybrid is OK - petrol cars are OK if they're not too old (depending on Euro rating of the engine, I also have a 22 yo compliant petrol car, though a car from the same year could be non-compliant if the engine has a lower Euro rating) - diesel cars need to be recent (in general equipped with DPF and other emission-control equipment that's become mandatory to pass more recent Euro-specs)