> I've used them, they're over-engineered crap Compared to what? And in what way? And then for you to manually recreate it anyway? Like when you need NodeJs, t

> I've used them, they're over-engineered crap Compared to what? And in what way? And then for you to manually recreate it anyway? Like when you need NodeJs, typescript, Turborepo, webpack, babel and a whole list of tools and then you still need scripts to build and deploy? Yes Maven and Gradle has its problems, but which tool is exactly better? They all just have their pros and cons. Which tool / framework in Go allows you to update a single dependency instead of the 100 that you might need and generates OpenAPI docs for you, etc etc?