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> Why the distinction? I mean they can be called into the army, have army training, and are basically just not actively fighting at that moment Well, it seems

> Why the distinction? I mean they can be called into the army, have army training, and are basically just not actively fighting at that moment Well, it seems like most people still make a moral difference between someone who "could" one day server in the army or a militant group (for example - a 10 year old child or a 30 year old guy who never took combat training) and someone who is actively fighting. Israel did not hit random Lebanese citizens, it hit almost entirely Hezbollah operatives. Saying that all Israelis are part of the army is bullshit. Most Israelis, even today, don't do reserve duty for various reasons and quite a few never did army service. If Hezbollah finds a way to hit only (or almost only) Israeli soldiers I would be very sad but wouldn't call it an act of terror.

aguaviva 2y ago
Israel did not hit random Lebanese citizens, it hit almost entirely Hezbollah operatives. Every large-scale airstrike in an urban area hits random civilians, and so far the Lebanese Health Ministry has indicated that out of 558 killed so far, at least 148 (50 children, 94 women, and 4 medics) were very likely not to have been militants. Of course these are just the initial stages of reporting, and everything is to be taken with a grain of salt. But in this background, the idea that the strikes have hit "almost entirely" militants is highly dubious.
thunky 2y ago
> Israel did not hit random Lebanese citizens I beg to differ.
mardifoufs 2y ago
No, it's not a "could" Israeli citizens are for the most part trained soldiers in what amounts to a less active reserve. It's more of a "will" than "could". In the same way that a Hezbollah militant with a pager isn't always an actual fighter on the frontline, but could be at any time.
- dogma1138 2y ago
  With a one big distinction, Israel is a nation state, Hezbollah isn’t. This version of Schrödinger’s experiment is quite kafkaesque…
  - mardifoufs 2y ago
    That's pretty ironic, considering the mental gymnastics you have been doing to justify spreading thousands of explosive devices while calling the other side terrorists. So I guess the militants who died and were executed during the Warsaw uprising also deserved it, as they were part of a non nation state armed group and thus could be shot and executed even when unarmed. That's somehow okay according to your interpretation of international laws lol.
    - weatherlite 2y ago
      Did the fighters in Warsaw, if you can even call them fighters since they were a bunch of starving people with a few improvised weapons perhaps, open a war against Germany? I must have missed that.
    - dogma1138 2y ago
      The militants in Warsaw were part of the free state of Poland. If you are willing to make Hezbollah part of the Lebanese state we can talk.
- weatherlite 2y ago
  > No, it's not a "could" Israeli citizens are for the most part trained soldiers in what amounts to a less active reserve. No, they're not. You don't know Israeli society or bothered to look at reserve numbers sorry.
  - mardifoufs 2y ago
    As I said earlier, I know that not every single Israeli has been conscripted or part of the army. And I didn't say the actual official reserves. But are you saying that most Israeli citizens in a certain age bracket can't be called into active duty very quickly, and have the training to do so, and the IDF having the planning (down to unit assignments) and equipment to do just that in case of emergencies? Because that's similar to how Hezbollah operates. Most of their militants are not actively fighting or even "reserves", but could be called into active service when required.
    - dogma1138 2y ago
      When they are called and in uniform they are legitimate targets. If Hezbollah would become part of the Lebanese army then their members when off duty would also be protected. Until then it’s fair game.

aguaviva 2y ago

Israel did not hit random Lebanese citizens, it hit almost entirely Hezbollah operatives. Every large-scale airstrike in an urban area hits random civilians, and so far the Lebanese Health Ministry has indicated that out of 558 killed so far, at least 148 (50 children, 94 women, and 4 medics) were very likely not to have been militants. Of course these are just the initial stages of reporting, and everything is to be taken with a grain of salt. But in this background, the idea that the strikes have hit "almost entirely" militants is highly dubious.

thunky 2y ago

> Israel did not hit random Lebanese citizens I beg to differ.

mardifoufs 2y ago

No, it's not a "could" Israeli citizens are for the most part trained soldiers in what amounts to a less active reserve. It's more of a "will" than "could". In the same way that a Hezbollah militant with a pager isn't always an actual fighter on the frontline, but could be at any time.

dogma1138 2y ago
With a one big distinction, Israel is a nation state, Hezbollah isn’t. This version of Schrödinger’s experiment is quite kafkaesque…
- mardifoufs 2y ago
  That's pretty ironic, considering the mental gymnastics you have been doing to justify spreading thousands of explosive devices while calling the other side terrorists. So I guess the militants who died and were executed during the Warsaw uprising also deserved it, as they were part of a non nation state armed group and thus could be shot and executed even when unarmed. That's somehow okay according to your interpretation of international laws lol.
  - weatherlite 2y ago
    Did the fighters in Warsaw, if you can even call them fighters since they were a bunch of starving people with a few improvised weapons perhaps, open a war against Germany? I must have missed that.
  - dogma1138 2y ago
    The militants in Warsaw were part of the free state of Poland. If you are willing to make Hezbollah part of the Lebanese state we can talk.
weatherlite 2y ago
> No, it's not a "could" Israeli citizens are for the most part trained soldiers in what amounts to a less active reserve. No, they're not. You don't know Israeli society or bothered to look at reserve numbers sorry.
- mardifoufs 2y ago
  As I said earlier, I know that not every single Israeli has been conscripted or part of the army. And I didn't say the actual official reserves. But are you saying that most Israeli citizens in a certain age bracket can't be called into active duty very quickly, and have the training to do so, and the IDF having the planning (down to unit assignments) and equipment to do just that in case of emergencies? Because that's similar to how Hezbollah operates. Most of their militants are not actively fighting or even "reserves", but could be called into active service when required.
  - dogma1138 2y ago
    When they are called and in uniform they are legitimate targets. If Hezbollah would become part of the Lebanese army then their members when off duty would also be protected. Until then it’s fair game.