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> The Biden administration has raised serious concerns about the collection of data by Chinese companies What about the collection of data by US companies that

> The Biden administration has raised serious concerns about the collection of data by Chinese companies What about the collection of data by US companies that later sell to anyone that pays (including Chinese companies and various governments)?

allkindsof 2y ago
Can't sell it if they already have it on tap. Then, can't manipulate it if they already have the pure data.
jszymborski 2y ago
Yes, this should also be illegal. Not really a reason not to go forward with the proposed ban, though.
- gigel82 2y ago
  We should push for a blanket ban on non-consensual data collection regardless of manufacturer, as well as for changing the terms of service after the sale (such as the introduction of mandatory data collection after you already purchased the vehicle - or any other product for that matter). How / where do we send this feedback to?
  - Ekaros 2y ago
    Acceptance of data collection should have very high standards. Like written signature after recording of going over all of the terms read out loud. This is only way to be sufficiently sure that consent is freely given.
faangguyindia 2y ago
And what they suspect China will do with the data is exactly same as what they'll do. Best for big countries to focus on internal market which China is already doing. It's wonderful to witness that when china starts winning the game which west plays, they try to shut it down. European countries want to ban Chinese EV. Americans want to ban china from software and chip business entirely.
DowsingSpoon 2y ago
What about it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- beardyw 2y ago
  Not sure highlighting hypocrisy is whataboutism.
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    In 'highlighting hypocrisy' you make the incredible deduction that the US work to spy but not be spied upon.
- aurareturn 2y ago
  Look, it’s the whataboutism poster in every China vs US thread. He can’t win an argument so he simply posts a link to the whataboutism article on Wikipedia. Hypocrisy, fairness, logic are now reduced whataboutism wiki link.
more_corn 2y ago
I have serious concerns about this as well. Now is the time for a very strong national consumer data protection law. The car companies have demonstrated their unwillingness to implement adequate data privacy protections on their own. Time to require that protection with law.
fragmede 2y ago
There's a difference between your girlfriend's dad knowing you smoke weed, and the cops knowing you smoke weed.

allkindsof 2y ago

Can't sell it if they already have it on tap. Then, can't manipulate it if they already have the pure data.

jszymborski 2y ago

Yes, this should also be illegal. Not really a reason not to go forward with the proposed ban, though.

gigel82 2y ago
We should push for a blanket ban on non-consensual data collection regardless of manufacturer, as well as for changing the terms of service after the sale (such as the introduction of mandatory data collection after you already purchased the vehicle - or any other product for that matter). How / where do we send this feedback to?
- Ekaros 2y ago
  Acceptance of data collection should have very high standards. Like written signature after recording of going over all of the terms read out loud. This is only way to be sufficiently sure that consent is freely given.

faangguyindia 2y ago

And what they suspect China will do with the data is exactly same as what they'll do. Best for big countries to focus on internal market which China is already doing. It's wonderful to witness that when china starts winning the game which west plays, they try to shut it down. European countries want to ban Chinese EV. Americans want to ban china from software and chip business entirely.

DowsingSpoon 2y ago

What about it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

beardyw 2y ago
Not sure highlighting hypocrisy is whataboutism.
- Sabinus 2y ago
  In 'highlighting hypocrisy' you make the incredible deduction that the US work to spy but not be spied upon.
aurareturn 2y ago
Look, it’s the whataboutism poster in every China vs US thread. He can’t win an argument so he simply posts a link to the whataboutism article on Wikipedia. Hypocrisy, fairness, logic are now reduced whataboutism wiki link.

more_corn 2y ago

I have serious concerns about this as well. Now is the time for a very strong national consumer data protection law. The car companies have demonstrated their unwillingness to implement adequate data privacy protections on their own. Time to require that protection with law.

fragmede 2y ago

There's a difference between your girlfriend's dad knowing you smoke weed, and the cops knowing you smoke weed.