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Around 40% of inmates in the US will reoffend, many finding themselves back in prison (and subsequently released) within the year. Violent crimes can be at a lo

Around 40% of inmates in the US will reoffend, many finding themselves back in prison (and subsequently released) within the year. Violent crimes can be at a low and repeat violent criminals can still be a problem. Most crime in the US is done by a fraction of the population, and we are doing nothing to actually address rehabilitation. We simply let them go and watch as they hurt more people. You can try to hand wave this away as “alt-right propaganda” all you want, but the government’s statistics don’t lie.

defrost 2y ago
> Around 40% of inmates in the US will reoffend, many finding themselves back in prison (and subsequently released) within the year. Why? Having served their time are they dumped without resources and the stigma of a criminal conviction with limited ability for employment and support? The US is outstanding extreme in the per capita imprisonment rate which speaks to some systemic issue, however to be fair the US is about middle of the pack for G20 recidivism rates after (say) four years. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/recidivis... ~ 40% seems commonplace.
underlipton 2y ago
Reoffend how, specifically? Obligatory context: the monetary value of wage theft alone (not including other types of white-collar crime, like embezzlement, tax fraud, securities fraud, etc.) is greater than that of every type of "violent" theft or burglary. Combined. Priorities.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  It's a lot less mentally stressful to get a lower paycheck due to some white collar criminal's fraud than it is to get violently robbed for $20 or burgled, raped etc. Some of these crimes aren't even about money but destroy lives. So I think it's definitely with reason that violent crimes are receiving heavier sentences.
  - underlipton 2y ago
    Getting mugged or held-up are very different things from being raped, particularly for something like $20, and it's a problem that you and others conflate them as if they aren't. As for the relative stress of high-value white collar crime versus low-value "violent" (I put that in quotes because many of these crimes only involve threats, and sometimes even no contact between parties, e.g., pick-pocketing)... Yes, it sucks to feel violated or to be injured. That's on a completely different level from the all-encompassing, debilitating effects on one's life that not being able to pay for food or medical treatment, or getting kicked out of your home, or living in a culture of hopelessness that actually encourages violent crime, has. All are effects of the unfettered economic corruption in this country. White-collar crime is WAY worse, and further, fixing it often goes a long way towards ALSO fixing violent crime. Again: priorities.
mu53 2y ago
Considering this story, this 18 year old was in a robbery and a fight. Nobody was murdered. He got 18 months and has been in for 18 years. The article makes no mention of justification for the board's decision to keep him in prison or his behavior while in prison, but they are continuing to do so. They could be keeping him in prison purely out of spite, power trip, or actually be protecting society from him. We don't know. Is this justice? Is this how it should work? Jailed for life for relatively minor crimes that resulted in a grand total of 18 months prison sentence. Hand waving someone's life away is different than hand waving obvious propaganda.

defrost 2y ago

> Around 40% of inmates in the US will reoffend, many finding themselves back in prison (and subsequently released) within the year. Why? Having served their time are they dumped without resources and the stigma of a criminal conviction with limited ability for employment and support? The US is outstanding extreme in the per capita imprisonment rate which speaks to some systemic issue, however to be fair the US is about middle of the pack for G20 recidivism rates after (say) four years. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/recidivis... ~ 40% seems commonplace.

underlipton 2y ago

Reoffend how, specifically? Obligatory context: the monetary value of wage theft alone (not including other types of white-collar crime, like embezzlement, tax fraud, securities fraud, etc.) is greater than that of every type of "violent" theft or burglary. Combined. Priorities.

wkat4242 2y ago
It's a lot less mentally stressful to get a lower paycheck due to some white collar criminal's fraud than it is to get violently robbed for $20 or burgled, raped etc. Some of these crimes aren't even about money but destroy lives. So I think it's definitely with reason that violent crimes are receiving heavier sentences.
- underlipton 2y ago
  Getting mugged or held-up are very different things from being raped, particularly for something like $20, and it's a problem that you and others conflate them as if they aren't. As for the relative stress of high-value white collar crime versus low-value "violent" (I put that in quotes because many of these crimes only involve threats, and sometimes even no contact between parties, e.g., pick-pocketing)... Yes, it sucks to feel violated or to be injured. That's on a completely different level from the all-encompassing, debilitating effects on one's life that not being able to pay for food or medical treatment, or getting kicked out of your home, or living in a culture of hopelessness that actually encourages violent crime, has. All are effects of the unfettered economic corruption in this country. White-collar crime is WAY worse, and further, fixing it often goes a long way towards ALSO fixing violent crime. Again: priorities.

mu53 2y ago

Considering this story, this 18 year old was in a robbery and a fight. Nobody was murdered. He got 18 months and has been in for 18 years. The article makes no mention of justification for the board's decision to keep him in prison or his behavior while in prison, but they are continuing to do so. They could be keeping him in prison purely out of spite, power trip, or actually be protecting society from him. We don't know. Is this justice? Is this how it should work? Jailed for life for relatively minor crimes that resulted in a grand total of 18 months prison sentence. Hand waving someone's life away is different than hand waving obvious propaganda.