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Uh, yeah? I think most people? Including me??? Everyone makes mistakes. If he hasn't damaged anyone beyond repair then he doesn't deserve to have his life ruin

Uh, yeah? I think most people? Including me??? Everyone makes mistakes. If he hasn't damaged anyone beyond repair then he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined beyond repair Its about justice, not fear 6 months is fine unless he hacked someone's arm off or something

the_gorilla 2y ago
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wkat4242 2y ago
I don't know. If someone violently robbed me I would be very happy to never see them free again. Especially if they would be very likely to do it again. Even if they didn't do any lasting physical damage, I would never be the same again mentally.
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- spoonfeeder006 2y ago
  Yeah, the lingering mental aspect from being robbed is a good point. I personally doubt I would have trauma if someone held a gun to me and asked me for my merchandise, but who knows, I've never actually experienced that irl Body language would probably be a bigger factor in that than the gun though But also, robbery is often driven by trauma or desperation itself Maybe I don't know enough to take an exact stance exactly on the appropriate punishments, but I do feel like the different factors need to be weighed and balanced I'm also actually not allowed to get involved in political stuff though, so yeah I probably should have kept my mouth shut on this from the outset But I will say that justice isn't about my or someone else's wants, its about whats fair for everyone involved, including the one who done the robbery E.g. giving them a chance to demonstrate they can change. If not, then harsher punishments
  - the_gorilla 2y ago
    > I personally doubt I would have trauma if someone held a gun to me and asked me for my merchandise, but who knows, I've never actually experienced that irl You should watch a few robberies where an armed robber popped the clerk after getting the money just because he could. Every armed robbery comes with the implicit threat of being shot, obviously, which is what the gun is for. When you talk about what's "fair" for the robber, it used to just be death. E.g. preventing them from reoffending.
    - spoonfeeder006 2y ago
      Watching a video here or there isn't a good way to assess a threat You can watch plenty of videos of people getting dismembered during vehicle accidents, but does daily driving traumatize people? No What are the statistics? At least for me thats what I would want to know https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-psychology-behind-convenience-store-robberies-that-turn-violent https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-psychology-behind-... In store robberies its unlikely to turn violent if the clerk is behind the counter and complies with the robber, according to one source at least So people in poor neighborhoods who have experienced common robberies would probably know this and basically be used to it Perhaps there is a difference in perception on this for those who are from affluent or middle class backgrounds as compared to those who grew up in poor communities? My high school teacher had a friend who would simply and calmly say "No" like it wasn't a big deal whenever people tried to rob him at gun point. That lack of fear and compliance would take away the robber's strength and make them scared and run Thats not a statistic though, but it does partly explain my perception and feeling over this I guess The main statistic I would be interested in, though, is not likelihood of a single robbery, but a 5 year or 10 year likelihood of getting harmed, if I was living in a poor neighborhood
      - the_gorilla 2y ago
        > Watching a video here or there isn't a good way to assess a threat Point is, your risk assessment skills are so incredibly off-base that you need to see what happens when you let armed robbers back on the street. You do not understand what the threat of violence is in the real world.

the_gorilla 2y ago

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wkat4242 2y ago

I don't know. If someone violently robbed me I would be very happy to never see them free again. Especially if they would be very likely to do it again. Even if they didn't do any lasting physical damage, I would never be the same again mentally.

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spoonfeeder006 2y ago
Yeah, the lingering mental aspect from being robbed is a good point. I personally doubt I would have trauma if someone held a gun to me and asked me for my merchandise, but who knows, I've never actually experienced that irl Body language would probably be a bigger factor in that than the gun though But also, robbery is often driven by trauma or desperation itself Maybe I don't know enough to take an exact stance exactly on the appropriate punishments, but I do feel like the different factors need to be weighed and balanced I'm also actually not allowed to get involved in political stuff though, so yeah I probably should have kept my mouth shut on this from the outset But I will say that justice isn't about my or someone else's wants, its about whats fair for everyone involved, including the one who done the robbery E.g. giving them a chance to demonstrate they can change. If not, then harsher punishments
- the_gorilla 2y ago
  > I personally doubt I would have trauma if someone held a gun to me and asked me for my merchandise, but who knows, I've never actually experienced that irl You should watch a few robberies where an armed robber popped the clerk after getting the money just because he could. Every armed robbery comes with the implicit threat of being shot, obviously, which is what the gun is for. When you talk about what's "fair" for the robber, it used to just be death. E.g. preventing them from reoffending.
  - spoonfeeder006 2y ago
    Watching a video here or there isn't a good way to assess a threat You can watch plenty of videos of people getting dismembered during vehicle accidents, but does daily driving traumatize people? No What are the statistics? At least for me thats what I would want to know https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-psychology-behind-convenience-store-robberies-that-turn-violent https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-psychology-behind-... In store robberies its unlikely to turn violent if the clerk is behind the counter and complies with the robber, according to one source at least So people in poor neighborhoods who have experienced common robberies would probably know this and basically be used to it Perhaps there is a difference in perception on this for those who are from affluent or middle class backgrounds as compared to those who grew up in poor communities? My high school teacher had a friend who would simply and calmly say "No" like it wasn't a big deal whenever people tried to rob him at gun point. That lack of fear and compliance would take away the robber's strength and make them scared and run Thats not a statistic though, but it does partly explain my perception and feeling over this I guess The main statistic I would be interested in, though, is not likelihood of a single robbery, but a 5 year or 10 year likelihood of getting harmed, if I was living in a poor neighborhood
    - the_gorilla 2y ago
      > Watching a video here or there isn't a good way to assess a threat Point is, your risk assessment skills are so incredibly off-base that you need to see what happens when you let armed robbers back on the street. You do not understand what the threat of violence is in the real world.