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Irrespective of the merits of this claim, they are selectively digging into the backgrounds of minorities in prominent positions. It’s kind of disgusting given

Irrespective of the merits of this claim, they are selectively digging into the backgrounds of minorities in prominent positions. It’s kind of disgusting given that if you look hard enough you’ll find dirt in anyone’s past.

DiscourseFan 2y ago
Maybe, but that doesn't absolve this particular individual
peterdsharpe 2y ago
Disagree. The kind of serious plagiarism that's alleged in cases like this, Claudine Gay, Marc Tessier-Lavigne doesn't happen by accident, it's deliberate. There are plenty of academics, both minorities and not, who are capable of original thought (and not resorting to plagiarism). I can't wait for the day that AI is used to expose the fakers en-masse. Previously, they got away with plagiarism through obscurity - no longer. The sooner we can excise these freeloaders from our professional institutions, the better. I did not go though the grueling process of writing an original PhD thesis, just to share a title with those who plagiarized their thesis.
- idle_zealot 2y ago
  AI will reveal all past plagiarism, while at the same time allowing anyone to fake it; get the LLM to write their papers or thesis, fabricate research with plausible methods and results, etc, undetectably.
- shermantanktop 2y ago
  Well, there’s a before-and-after cutoff here. The previous generation will be pilloried for their copying, but the next on is now armed with the tools to copy without detection. “Chatbot, please rephrase this entire passage so that plagiarism detectors will consider it clean.” It’s been happening from the moment ChatGPT was released, and after 15 years or so, all the leading young academic stars will have grown up with it.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  The Claudine Gay example was way, way different than this. She actually DID refer specifically to the authors she was pulling from, she just didn’t paraphrase significantly enough to avoid using quotation marks in doing so. At least for every example I saw, there was no way a reader would think she was passing the ideas off as her own.
- therealcamino 2y ago
  "I did not go though the grueling process of writing an original PhD thesis, just to share a title with those who plagiarized their thesis." Amen. No to excusing plagiarism of folks that have used it as a tool to climb the ranks of academia.
elphinstone 2y ago
That's the sort of selective blindness that allows unethical frauds to succeed.
therealcamino 2y ago
I'll tell you what: no matter how hard anyone looks in my past, nobody's going to find massive plagiarism. Why? Because I didn't commit plagiarism. You find plagiarism in the pasts of plagiarists. Let's save the defense for people who deserve it.
- dyauspitr 2y ago
  It doesn’t just have to be plagiarism it can be any aspect of your life.
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    Fine but, consider that in the cases of these university presidents it was always cases of plagiarism

DiscourseFan 2y ago

Maybe, but that doesn't absolve this particular individual

peterdsharpe 2y ago

Disagree. The kind of serious plagiarism that's alleged in cases like this, Claudine Gay, Marc Tessier-Lavigne doesn't happen by accident, it's deliberate. There are plenty of academics, both minorities and not, who are capable of original thought (and not resorting to plagiarism). I can't wait for the day that AI is used to expose the fakers en-masse. Previously, they got away with plagiarism through obscurity - no longer. The sooner we can excise these freeloaders from our professional institutions, the better. I did not go though the grueling process of writing an original PhD thesis, just to share a title with those who plagiarized their thesis.

idle_zealot 2y ago
AI will reveal all past plagiarism, while at the same time allowing anyone to fake it; get the LLM to write their papers or thesis, fabricate research with plausible methods and results, etc, undetectably.
shermantanktop 2y ago
Well, there’s a before-and-after cutoff here. The previous generation will be pilloried for their copying, but the next on is now armed with the tools to copy without detection. “Chatbot, please rephrase this entire passage so that plagiarism detectors will consider it clean.” It’s been happening from the moment ChatGPT was released, and after 15 years or so, all the leading young academic stars will have grown up with it.
llamaimperative 2y ago
The Claudine Gay example was way, way different than this. She actually DID refer specifically to the authors she was pulling from, she just didn’t paraphrase significantly enough to avoid using quotation marks in doing so. At least for every example I saw, there was no way a reader would think she was passing the ideas off as her own.
therealcamino 2y ago
"I did not go though the grueling process of writing an original PhD thesis, just to share a title with those who plagiarized their thesis." Amen. No to excusing plagiarism of folks that have used it as a tool to climb the ranks of academia.

elphinstone 2y ago

That's the sort of selective blindness that allows unethical frauds to succeed.

therealcamino 2y ago

I'll tell you what: no matter how hard anyone looks in my past, nobody's going to find massive plagiarism. Why? Because I didn't commit plagiarism. You find plagiarism in the pasts of plagiarists. Let's save the defense for people who deserve it.

dyauspitr 2y ago
It doesn’t just have to be plagiarism it can be any aspect of your life.
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  Fine but, consider that in the cases of these university presidents it was always cases of plagiarism