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Who in their right mind would choose brainfuck for enterprise solutions, over befunge?

thenewwazoo 2y ago
You can't discount the need to keep your hiring pipeline full to replace the people whose RSUs have cliffed. Befunge, like Rust, is impossible to hire for, so nobody uses it, which means nobody has experience, which means it's impossible to hire for, so it's a bad idea to use it. BrainFuck has been around for decades and its problems can be avoided by just hiring sufficiently-talented developers.
- jmspring 2y ago
  Funny thing about Rust. I use it for a few small projects. I have advocated for it on a current work project in part because it makes sense for a few reasons. I had planned on it, an advisor (small startup) recommended it, so myself as a mid experience and two people more junior in their career, are writing Rust. As I said, I have used Rust for multiple unrelated to this task thing. Had various versions of our planned project working. Then I revisited it and made it more Rust-like. It literally looks like I've done nothing since I through a lot of things out. It's fun to learn.
- mFixman 2y ago
  Being the only true 2-dimensional language, Befunge only needs the square root of the lines of code to build an equivalent program to puny 1-dimensional programs like Brainfuck or C++. Stop trying to hire 10X engineers. Befunge applications are built by true X² engineers.
  - bashauma 2y ago
    > Stop trying to hire 10X engineers. Befunge applications are built by true X² engineers. Best sales slogan of the year.
    - fancyfredbot 2y ago
      Don't hire 10x, hire x¹⁰, with superstringfuck - the only language with the dimensions to tackle the needs of today's fast moving businesses.
    - FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
      I like how we haven't specified whether x is greater than or less than one.
      - fancyfredbot 2y ago
        I love that we complain about that before asking what we're measuring or whether higher or lower numbers are better. If you are asking such questions you aren't who I'm talking to and you need to leave the room immediately.
        FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
        It's kind of a joke / riffing. Collaboration/elaboration, not attack. The "like" wasn't sarcasm; it was observing additional possibilities for meaning -- meanings that actually worked kind of amusingly to me.
    - dullcrisp 2y ago
      But what if my X is only ~1–2? Should I continue hiring the 10X engineers? Someone explain it to me in a PowerPoint.
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  - actionfromafar 2y ago
    Excel is Befunge
- mbonnet 2y ago
  On the contrary, I have found that Rust postings receive fewer but much higher quality candidates.
LorenDB 2y ago
Honestly, the smart enterprises are using Malbolge.
ur-whale 2y ago
True. Befunge has real lofty ideals, not just a miser goal of being hard to parse by humans: > Befunge, with the goal of being as difficult to compile as possible

You can't discount the need to keep your hiring pipeline full to replace the people whose RSUs have cliffed. Befunge, like Rust, is impossible to hire for, so nobody uses it, which means nobody has experience, which means it's impossible to hire for, so it's a bad idea to use it. BrainFuck has been around for decades and its problems can be avoided by just hiring sufficiently-talented developers.

jmspring 2y ago
Funny thing about Rust. I use it for a few small projects. I have advocated for it on a current work project in part because it makes sense for a few reasons. I had planned on it, an advisor (small startup) recommended it, so myself as a mid experience and two people more junior in their career, are writing Rust. As I said, I have used Rust for multiple unrelated to this task thing. Had various versions of our planned project working. Then I revisited it and made it more Rust-like. It literally looks like I've done nothing since I through a lot of things out. It's fun to learn.
mFixman 2y ago
Being the only true 2-dimensional language, Befunge only needs the square root of the lines of code to build an equivalent program to puny 1-dimensional programs like Brainfuck or C++. Stop trying to hire 10X engineers. Befunge applications are built by true X² engineers.
- bashauma 2y ago
  > Stop trying to hire 10X engineers. Befunge applications are built by true X² engineers. Best sales slogan of the year.
  - fancyfredbot 2y ago
    Don't hire 10x, hire x¹⁰, with superstringfuck - the only language with the dimensions to tackle the needs of today's fast moving businesses.
  - FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
    I like how we haven't specified whether x is greater than or less than one.
    - fancyfredbot 2y ago
      I love that we complain about that before asking what we're measuring or whether higher or lower numbers are better. If you are asking such questions you aren't who I'm talking to and you need to leave the room immediately.
      - FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
        It's kind of a joke / riffing. Collaboration/elaboration, not attack. The "like" wasn't sarcasm; it was observing additional possibilities for meaning -- meanings that actually worked kind of amusingly to me.
  - dullcrisp 2y ago
    But what if my X is only ~1–2? Should I continue hiring the 10X engineers? Someone explain it to me in a PowerPoint.
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- actionfromafar 2y ago
  Excel is Befunge
mbonnet 2y ago
On the contrary, I have found that Rust postings receive fewer but much higher quality candidates.

LorenDB 2y ago

Honestly, the smart enterprises are using Malbolge.

ur-whale 2y ago

True. Befunge has real lofty ideals, not just a miser goal of being hard to parse by humans: > Befunge, with the goal of being as difficult to compile as possible