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I will never understand how a bunch of technically-inclined people can look at an obvious bug and think it was put in intentionally.

firecall 2y ago
It bonkers isnt it! Do none of Apple's developer team use any other editor at anytime other than XCode! How was this not picked up in beta testing!? Here's another gripe: The tiling feature maddens me! You cant disable it completely or remap the key bindings. Did anyone at Apple even test this using a full size Magic Keyboard? Using the FN key to move windows is fine when the key is down next to the Control key. Which it isnt on the full size keyboard. And I assume the developers at Apple use the big Magic Keyboard? So did anyone of them even think for a minute about how useless it is to bind the window tiling feature to the FN key? Plus, you can't fully disable Sequoia's tiling, so it interferes with my 3rd party tiling tool :-/
- chris37879 2y ago
  To answer your questions, no, they do not use an editor that isn't Xcode. And I would also suspect none of them use desktop macs daily and instead use macbooks.
  - firecall 2y ago
    But surely they must tether their MacBooks to external displays and desktop Mouse’s and Keyboards! I didn’t think they’d be using Mac minis, Studios or Pros as such. They can’t all be using the little mini Magic Keyboard or working directly on their laptops? Can they…. :-O
    - petre 2y ago
      The MacBook keyboard is atrocious. I always mess up the passwords a bunch of times.
    - aequitas 2y ago
      Not a developer at Apple, but I've been using Magic Keyboard's (without numpad) for about ten years now exactly because it has the same layout as every Macbook I own(ed). If they were to ever make a numpad version with the fn key at the same place I probably wouldn't switch either because I would just be trying to hit the numpad when I'm on the laptop's keyboard.
- tambourine_man 2y ago
  Are you sure you can't remap the keyboard shortcuts? I believe you can change them in System Settings -> Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts
  - firecall 2y ago
    AFAICT You are able to remap the 'Globe' key to another key, say CAPSLOCK. But you can't remap the key combinations assigned to the new Tiling feature!
    - tambourine_man 2y ago
      I think they’re on the windows menu. If so, I believe you can. I’m staying away from Sequoia for awhile though, so I can’t test it.
      - firecall 2y ago
        How about that, so they are! I didn't think to look there LOL Thanks for the heads up, you've made my day!
        tambourine_man 2y ago
        :)
    - tpmoney 2y ago
      You can enter new keyboard shortcuts to replace the existing ones in Preferences -> Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> App Shortcuts -> All Apps (or just the specific ones if you only want it in certain apps). Just be sure to use the full menu item path. So your menu item should be `Window->Move & Resize->(Left|Right|Top|Bottom|etc)`. I had to close out of the shortcuts dialog and switch to another app for it to take, but it works.
  - crooked-v 2y ago
    Yeah, this is one of the old things going way back. Native apps never offer remapping of anything because they don't have to; as long as something has a menu item entry you can change the shortcuts at the system level.
- albertopv 2y ago
  Users are beta testers, and always have been.
snapetom 2y ago
This happens everywhere in Apple products. It thinks it knows better than you, and completely screws power users. Try manually adding IMAP/POP/SMTP servers in Mail in both iOS and MacOS. First off the process is nowhere near consistent. Second, they both try to be clever if they detect supported hosts like gmail. It'll kick off different flows because it thinks gmail is gmail. So for things like custom reply-to's, it's a massive pain in the ass.
- concinds 2y ago
  Gmail requires a different login flow, because they're dropping password authentication in favor of OAuth, for pretty reasonable security reasons.
  - LtWorf 2y ago
    And entering my password in a different kind of text box is more secure how?
    - concinds 2y ago
      2FA support. Gmail requires 2FA.
      - LtWorf 2y ago
        It doesn't "require" it. Users might enable it or disable it. If it's disabled, can you explain to me how is it safer?
        rcxdude 2y ago
        Gmail can require 2FA more or less at google's whim, regardless of user preferences (and if you don't have a method set up, you'll be locked out of logging in, at least through that particular device/connection)
        2y ago
ben-schaaf 2y ago
In my original comment I put "feature" in quotes. I do think a change was intended, it's just not working as it should.
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grishka 2y ago
I don't understand why and how does Apple keep breaking stuff that has worked perfectly fine for the previous 24 years. Like, just don't touch it maybe if it already works? Also yearly major OS updates are beyond stupid.
nox101 2y ago
I will never understand how Apple doesn't have automated testing that catches all these basic bugs before shipping.

firecall 2y ago

It bonkers isnt it! Do none of Apple's developer team use any other editor at anytime other than XCode! How was this not picked up in beta testing!? Here's another gripe: The tiling feature maddens me! You cant disable it completely or remap the key bindings. Did anyone at Apple even test this using a full size Magic Keyboard? Using the FN key to move windows is fine when the key is down next to the Control key. Which it isnt on the full size keyboard. And I assume the developers at Apple use the big Magic Keyboard? So did anyone of them even think for a minute about how useless it is to bind the window tiling feature to the FN key? Plus, you can't fully disable Sequoia's tiling, so it interferes with my 3rd party tiling tool :-/

chris37879 2y ago
To answer your questions, no, they do not use an editor that isn't Xcode. And I would also suspect none of them use desktop macs daily and instead use macbooks.
- firecall 2y ago
  But surely they must tether their MacBooks to external displays and desktop Mouse’s and Keyboards! I didn’t think they’d be using Mac minis, Studios or Pros as such. They can’t all be using the little mini Magic Keyboard or working directly on their laptops? Can they…. :-O
  - petre 2y ago
    The MacBook keyboard is atrocious. I always mess up the passwords a bunch of times.
  - aequitas 2y ago
    Not a developer at Apple, but I've been using Magic Keyboard's (without numpad) for about ten years now exactly because it has the same layout as every Macbook I own(ed). If they were to ever make a numpad version with the fn key at the same place I probably wouldn't switch either because I would just be trying to hit the numpad when I'm on the laptop's keyboard.
tambourine_man 2y ago
Are you sure you can't remap the keyboard shortcuts? I believe you can change them in System Settings -> Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts
- firecall 2y ago
  AFAICT You are able to remap the 'Globe' key to another key, say CAPSLOCK. But you can't remap the key combinations assigned to the new Tiling feature!
  - tambourine_man 2y ago
    I think they’re on the windows menu. If so, I believe you can. I’m staying away from Sequoia for awhile though, so I can’t test it.
    - firecall 2y ago
      How about that, so they are! I didn't think to look there LOL Thanks for the heads up, you've made my day!
      - tambourine_man 2y ago
        :)
  - tpmoney 2y ago
    You can enter new keyboard shortcuts to replace the existing ones in Preferences -> Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> App Shortcuts -> All Apps (or just the specific ones if you only want it in certain apps). Just be sure to use the full menu item path. So your menu item should be `Window->Move & Resize->(Left|Right|Top|Bottom|etc)`. I had to close out of the shortcuts dialog and switch to another app for it to take, but it works.
- crooked-v 2y ago
  Yeah, this is one of the old things going way back. Native apps never offer remapping of anything because they don't have to; as long as something has a menu item entry you can change the shortcuts at the system level.
albertopv 2y ago
Users are beta testers, and always have been.

snapetom 2y ago

This happens everywhere in Apple products. It thinks it knows better than you, and completely screws power users. Try manually adding IMAP/POP/SMTP servers in Mail in both iOS and MacOS. First off the process is nowhere near consistent. Second, they both try to be clever if they detect supported hosts like gmail. It'll kick off different flows because it thinks gmail is gmail. So for things like custom reply-to's, it's a massive pain in the ass.

concinds 2y ago
Gmail requires a different login flow, because they're dropping password authentication in favor of OAuth, for pretty reasonable security reasons.
- LtWorf 2y ago
  And entering my password in a different kind of text box is more secure how?
  - concinds 2y ago
    2FA support. Gmail requires 2FA.
    - LtWorf 2y ago
      It doesn't "require" it. Users might enable it or disable it. If it's disabled, can you explain to me how is it safer?
      - rcxdude 2y ago
        Gmail can require 2FA more or less at google's whim, regardless of user preferences (and if you don't have a method set up, you'll be locked out of logging in, at least through that particular device/connection)
        2y ago

ben-schaaf 2y ago

In my original comment I put "feature" in quotes. I do think a change was intended, it's just not working as it should.

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grishka 2y ago

I don't understand why and how does Apple keep breaking stuff that has worked perfectly fine for the previous 24 years. Like, just don't touch it maybe if it already works? Also yearly major OS updates are beyond stupid.

nox101 2y ago

I will never understand how Apple doesn't have automated testing that catches all these basic bugs before shipping.