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For those doubting the corp is 750 peoples (2020). And the Software dev expenses are listed at around $200 millions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corpo

For those doubting the corp is 750 peoples (2020). And the Software dev expenses are listed at around $200 millions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances

zihotki 2y ago
750 people is a total number. Number of people involved into developing Firefox is way less. $200 millions are the aggregated expenses of ALL software 'development' efforts of Mozilla Corporation like VPN, Relay, Pocket, mozilla.social, etc. And there are a lot of interesting expenses which are billed as development. According to Lunduke (1) who dived into the details a bit, there are many very questionnable expenses which are not related to Firefox development. So the questions is still very open, how much does Firefox development actually costs? Developing Thunderbird costed around $2 millions in 2021 (2). 1 - https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-investigating-the-bizarre-finances-of-mozilla https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest... 2 - https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving-our-2022-financial-report/ https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving...
- mempko 2y ago
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  - Karunamon 2y ago
    Thats all well and good, but you said nothing of substance about the link. The fact you dislike his political stances tells us nothing.
    - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
      Tells me something about the substance the argument and character actually.
    - Spivak 2y ago
      Okay, I read the article. He's a right-wing nutjob with a persecution fetish ranting about a few 5 and 6 figure expenses of a company that spends 9 figures on software deployment and has an axe to grind about the values of the organizations behind those expenses. Wow the self-righteous literally-an-activist-group hippies of the browser world are self-righteous about other causes? How could we have ever predicted this.
    - mempko 2y ago
      I read the article. It frames "left-of-center" organizations as bad an inappropriate for a tech company. It criticizes Mozilla of supporting social justice causes. It questions why is Mozilla spending money on anything other than it's product. Absolutely nothing about this reporting is unbiased. He even goes into race and looks into Action Research Collaborative about how the founder has "problems with white people". Anyone reading this will clearly read the article as right-wing, and maybe even far right-wing biased.
      - Karunamon 2y ago
        Asking why a tech company whose only product of note is slowly dying, why they are spending money on unrelated advocacy, is entirely reasonable though? All you have done is convict him conclusively of having an opinion while not liberal. Guilty as charged. I am unclear why that is such a problem. Theres no such thing as unbiased, so lets set that impossible-to-meet standard aside. Anytime Mozilla comes up here, the question comes up about supporting Firefox development without the pile of other stuff they do. There is no way to do so. Perhaps their lack of focus is a concern that crosses partisan lines, and ignoring those concerns simply because of tribalism is unwise?
        mempko 2y ago
        The issue is that his bias creates bad reporting. There is always bias as you mentioned, but his is so bad that it clouds his judgement. There are many users who use Mozilla's products not because they are superior (though I think firefox is), but because they have a great mission. In fact, anyone supporting open source does it because of the mission, not the quality of the product. In most cases, proprietary products are better. Mozilla is not just a tech company, and far right individuals like Lunduke can't understand that because their bias clouds their reasoning. Lunduke's reasoning is so clouded, he is a climate denier. That enough should disqualify him as a serious person.
- nar001 2y ago
  Lunduke isn't an actual trusted source. He's biased and generally a right wing pundit by now.

zihotki 2y ago

750 people is a total number. Number of people involved into developing Firefox is way less. $200 millions are the aggregated expenses of ALL software 'development' efforts of Mozilla Corporation like VPN, Relay, Pocket, mozilla.social, etc. And there are a lot of interesting expenses which are billed as development. According to Lunduke (1) who dived into the details a bit, there are many very questionnable expenses which are not related to Firefox development. So the questions is still very open, how much does Firefox development actually costs? Developing Thunderbird costed around $2 millions in 2021 (2). 1 - https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-investigating-the-bizarre-finances-of-mozilla https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest... 2 - https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving-our-2022-financial-report/ https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving...

mempko 2y ago
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- Karunamon 2y ago
  Thats all well and good, but you said nothing of substance about the link. The fact you dislike his political stances tells us nothing.
  - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
    Tells me something about the substance the argument and character actually.
  - Spivak 2y ago
    Okay, I read the article. He's a right-wing nutjob with a persecution fetish ranting about a few 5 and 6 figure expenses of a company that spends 9 figures on software deployment and has an axe to grind about the values of the organizations behind those expenses. Wow the self-righteous literally-an-activist-group hippies of the browser world are self-righteous about other causes? How could we have ever predicted this.
  - mempko 2y ago
    I read the article. It frames "left-of-center" organizations as bad an inappropriate for a tech company. It criticizes Mozilla of supporting social justice causes. It questions why is Mozilla spending money on anything other than it's product. Absolutely nothing about this reporting is unbiased. He even goes into race and looks into Action Research Collaborative about how the founder has "problems with white people". Anyone reading this will clearly read the article as right-wing, and maybe even far right-wing biased.
    - Karunamon 2y ago
      Asking why a tech company whose only product of note is slowly dying, why they are spending money on unrelated advocacy, is entirely reasonable though? All you have done is convict him conclusively of having an opinion while not liberal. Guilty as charged. I am unclear why that is such a problem. Theres no such thing as unbiased, so lets set that impossible-to-meet standard aside. Anytime Mozilla comes up here, the question comes up about supporting Firefox development without the pile of other stuff they do. There is no way to do so. Perhaps their lack of focus is a concern that crosses partisan lines, and ignoring those concerns simply because of tribalism is unwise?
      - mempko 2y ago
        The issue is that his bias creates bad reporting. There is always bias as you mentioned, but his is so bad that it clouds his judgement. There are many users who use Mozilla's products not because they are superior (though I think firefox is), but because they have a great mission. In fact, anyone supporting open source does it because of the mission, not the quality of the product. In most cases, proprietary products are better. Mozilla is not just a tech company, and far right individuals like Lunduke can't understand that because their bias clouds their reasoning. Lunduke's reasoning is so clouded, he is a climate denier. That enough should disqualify him as a serious person.
nar001 2y ago
Lunduke isn't an actual trusted source. He's biased and generally a right wing pundit by now.