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Can we fork Mozilla? The browser can become a community product again? Where's Jamie Zawinski when you need him. It's time for a rewrite of the about:mozilla sc

Can we fork Mozilla? The browser can become a community product again? Where's Jamie Zawinski when you need him. It's time for a rewrite of the about:mozilla screen.

BadHumans 2y ago
Everyone whines when Mozilla does anything that isn't related to Firefox and I don't understand it. I use Firefox daily and I run into maybe 1 bug every 6 months which is much fewer than when I as running Chrome. What exactly do you want them to pour more resources into?
- dpkirchner 2y ago
  I think an alternative to Electron that makes it easier to write efficient desktop applications using web technologies would be welcome. Basically, figure out why so many Electron apps end up slow and laggy and make first-party code that does those tasks better (and in Rust, for nerd cred.) Edit to add: although I guess this would be related to Firefox. Oh well!
  - gnuly 2y ago
    something like [tauri](https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri)?
    - dpkirchner 2y ago
      Yah, seems like it
- lolinder 2y ago
  Dev tools have fallen way behind Chrome's. I'm the only one on my team who never switches to Chrome for debugging work, and when web developers switch en masse to Chrome for testing their code that hurts the diversity of the ecosystem. The sad thing is that dev tools used to be Firefox's standout feature, but it seems that Google got that memo and Mozilla forgot it.
wmf 2y ago
Developing Firefox costs $200M per year. You want to replace that with a community of volunteers?
- drpossum 2y ago
  > Developing Firefox costs $200M per year. Citation please.
  - mrighele 2y ago
    The Wikipedia page [1] links to an annual report from 2022 [2] where it is stated (page 6) that the expenses for 2022 for "Software development" were about 220 Million Dollars [X], though I guess that the entry includes software other than just Firefox and there is no breakdown. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation [2] https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-2022-fs-final-0908.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202... [X] Plus 58 Million Dollars for "Branding and marketing" and 108 Million Dollars for "General and administrative" ... ouch !
    - closewith 2y ago
      The annual report very deliberately didn't break out spending on Firefox.
- closewith 2y ago
  I would like you to try to support this with evidence from their annual reports.
- Timshel 2y ago
  For those doubting the corp is 750 peoples (2020). And the Software dev expenses are listed at around $200 millions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances
  - 2y ago
unethical_ban 2y ago
What offends people about Mozilla the organization doing anything outside of providing a state-of-the-art browser as a public good?
- this_user 2y ago
  The fact that their projects are always DOA while their main product continues to lose market shares. If you were the CEO of Apple and you keep launching random products in fields were you have no expertise that are always abandoned after 2-3 years while the iPhone market share has dropped to single digits, you won't be the CEO for much longer.
shmerl 2y ago
You can contribute to Servo?

Can we fork Mozilla? The browser can become a community product again? Where's Jamie Zawinski when you need him. It's time for a rewrite of the about:mozilla screen.

BadHumans 2y ago

Everyone whines when Mozilla does anything that isn't related to Firefox and I don't understand it. I use Firefox daily and I run into maybe 1 bug every 6 months which is much fewer than when I as running Chrome. What exactly do you want them to pour more resources into?

dpkirchner 2y ago
I think an alternative to Electron that makes it easier to write efficient desktop applications using web technologies would be welcome. Basically, figure out why so many Electron apps end up slow and laggy and make first-party code that does those tasks better (and in Rust, for nerd cred.) Edit to add: although I guess this would be related to Firefox. Oh well!
- gnuly 2y ago
  something like [tauri](https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri)?
  - dpkirchner 2y ago
    Yah, seems like it
lolinder 2y ago
Dev tools have fallen way behind Chrome's. I'm the only one on my team who never switches to Chrome for debugging work, and when web developers switch en masse to Chrome for testing their code that hurts the diversity of the ecosystem. The sad thing is that dev tools used to be Firefox's standout feature, but it seems that Google got that memo and Mozilla forgot it.

wmf 2y ago

Developing Firefox costs $200M per year. You want to replace that with a community of volunteers?

drpossum 2y ago
> Developing Firefox costs $200M per year. Citation please.
- mrighele 2y ago
  The Wikipedia page [1] links to an annual report from 2022 [2] where it is stated (page 6) that the expenses for 2022 for "Software development" were about 220 Million Dollars [X], though I guess that the entry includes software other than just Firefox and there is no breakdown. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation [2] https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-2022-fs-final-0908.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202... [X] Plus 58 Million Dollars for "Branding and marketing" and 108 Million Dollars for "General and administrative" ... ouch !
  - closewith 2y ago
    The annual report very deliberately didn't break out spending on Firefox.
closewith 2y ago
I would like you to try to support this with evidence from their annual reports.
Timshel 2y ago
For those doubting the corp is 750 peoples (2020). And the Software dev expenses are listed at around $200 millions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances
- 2y ago

unethical_ban 2y ago

What offends people about Mozilla the organization doing anything outside of providing a state-of-the-art browser as a public good?

this_user 2y ago
The fact that their projects are always DOA while their main product continues to lose market shares. If you were the CEO of Apple and you keep launching random products in fields were you have no expertise that are always abandoned after 2-3 years while the iPhone market share has dropped to single digits, you won't be the CEO for much longer.

shmerl 2y ago

You can contribute to Servo?