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"deliberate" and "horrible design mistake" aren't mutually exclusive (see: touchbar). I don't think anyone's suggesting Apple didn't recognise the conflict with

"deliberate" and "horrible design mistake" aren't mutually exclusive (see: touchbar). I don't think anyone's suggesting Apple didn't recognise the conflict with charging and usage until after they'd made it. Now we've reached the conclusion of this discussion with a good old "well that's just like, your opinion, man" I would like to add that the magic mouse is not as popular as their other peripherals. In fact, at least in the office I work in, people would rather use a £5 Amazon special than one of the spare Magic Mice laying around.

throwaway314155 2y ago
yeah and i have a backup wired mouse for when the magic mouse is too frustrating. I just meant to clarify that design is subjective and Apple has always been on the more pretentious end of that subjective spectrum. People seem to respond (like the sibling comment) as though Apple deliberately wanted users to feel patronized. My whole thing is that Apple's been doing that for years (making decisions for the benefit of the average user at the expense of the power user) and there's really no need to complain about it (at least not like it's a personal attack). the touch bar is not an optional peripheral so I can understand a bit more resentment there. I do however at least see where they were going with it (fn keys are too far from the home keys to be useful, few people use them anymore, we want to integrate touch without smudging screens and requiring awkward wrist angles). They happened to be wrong about most of that in a more objective way, but people act as though it's a decision made with the sole purpose to annoy people, or perhaps a the elites at Apple have become out of touch. It's the sort of tech that would work much better as "simple" per-key displays you can configure. I imagine in their minds, it wouldn't be too dissimilar from that in the future with the right haptics and maybe some programmatic tactile feedback (for which the tech just isn't there yet).

throwaway314155 2y ago

yeah and i have a backup wired mouse for when the magic mouse is too frustrating. I just meant to clarify that design is subjective and Apple has always been on the more pretentious end of that subjective spectrum. People seem to respond (like the sibling comment) as though Apple deliberately wanted users to feel patronized. My whole thing is that Apple's been doing that for years (making decisions for the benefit of the average user at the expense of the power user) and there's really no need to complain about it (at least not like it's a personal attack). the touch bar is not an optional peripheral so I can understand a bit more resentment there. I do however at least see where they were going with it (fn keys are too far from the home keys to be useful, few people use them anymore, we want to integrate touch without smudging screens and requiring awkward wrist angles). They happened to be wrong about most of that in a more objective way, but people act as though it's a decision made with the sole purpose to annoy people, or perhaps a the elites at Apple have become out of touch. It's the sort of tech that would work much better as "simple" per-key displays you can configure. I imagine in their minds, it wouldn't be too dissimilar from that in the future with the right haptics and maybe some programmatic tactile feedback (for which the tech just isn't there yet).