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There's another very large subgroup you're missing: the hackers that build things (even for $0) because they're fun/cool, not because they solve a specific anno

There's another very large subgroup you're missing: the hackers that build things (even for $0) because they're fun/cool, not because they solve a specific annoying problem/inefficiency.

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patrickhogan1 2y ago
Thank you for pointing that out. I updated my comment to include that group. Personally, my motivation comes from the part of me that feels compelled to fix things that are inefficient, but I love being a part of a community that builds useful/fun/cool things & each of us are driven by our own motivations.
oceanplexian 2y ago
That’s not hacking, that’s called a hobby. Hacking is something that challenges social norms or might even get you in trouble.
- comprev 2y ago
  “hacking” is the challenge of making something work in ways it was never intended - for example unlocking a car with wireless entry using a laptop and DIY electronics instead of the normal car key. Doing it to your own car is obviously very different from stealing someone else’s, however it’s not illegal to “hack” your own car. The theft part is what gets you in trouble.
  - Ma8ee 2y ago
    > it’s not illegal to “hack” your own car I'm certain some car company will sue you if they get to know that you did.
    - senko 2y ago
      Maybe it’s not really your car, then. (Same with some mobile phones, tractors, etc.)
- fortyseven 2y ago
  Hacking, at it's very core, is the exploration and enjoyment of systems. Anything else beyond that raw definition is extra and varies.
- antonvs 2y ago
  What you’re describing are sometimes consequences of the hacker ethic, they’re not core features.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  Hacking seems to have taken on so many different meanings. I've always known hacking as a term specifically related to bypassing security in digital systems. Think Matthew Broderick gaining access to government networks via a phone line. This was hacking that would always get you in trouble if caught. I'm not quite sure when "hacking" was repurposed as a term for using something in a way it wasn't intended ("life hacks" or "kitchen hacks", etc). Now hacking is about challenging social norms? I'm very lost at this point, in an "old man shakes fist at clouds" kind of way.
smokel 2y ago
See for example: https://justforfunnoreally.dev/ https://justforfunnoreally.dev/ Discussed on Hacker News here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33255920 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33255920 and more recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41496725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41496725

There's another very large subgroup you're missing: the hackers that build things (even for $0) because they're fun/cool, not because they solve a specific annoying problem/inefficiency.

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patrickhogan1 2y ago

Thank you for pointing that out. I updated my comment to include that group. Personally, my motivation comes from the part of me that feels compelled to fix things that are inefficient, but I love being a part of a community that builds useful/fun/cool things & each of us are driven by our own motivations.

oceanplexian 2y ago

That’s not hacking, that’s called a hobby. Hacking is something that challenges social norms or might even get you in trouble.

comprev 2y ago
“hacking” is the challenge of making something work in ways it was never intended - for example unlocking a car with wireless entry using a laptop and DIY electronics instead of the normal car key. Doing it to your own car is obviously very different from stealing someone else’s, however it’s not illegal to “hack” your own car. The theft part is what gets you in trouble.
- Ma8ee 2y ago
  > it’s not illegal to “hack” your own car I'm certain some car company will sue you if they get to know that you did.
  - senko 2y ago
    Maybe it’s not really your car, then. (Same with some mobile phones, tractors, etc.)
fortyseven 2y ago
Hacking, at it's very core, is the exploration and enjoyment of systems. Anything else beyond that raw definition is extra and varies.
antonvs 2y ago
What you’re describing are sometimes consequences of the hacker ethic, they’re not core features.
_heimdall 2y ago
Hacking seems to have taken on so many different meanings. I've always known hacking as a term specifically related to bypassing security in digital systems. Think Matthew Broderick gaining access to government networks via a phone line. This was hacking that would always get you in trouble if caught. I'm not quite sure when "hacking" was repurposed as a term for using something in a way it wasn't intended ("life hacks" or "kitchen hacks", etc). Now hacking is about challenging social norms? I'm very lost at this point, in an "old man shakes fist at clouds" kind of way.

smokel 2y ago

See for example: https://justforfunnoreally.dev/ https://justforfunnoreally.dev/ Discussed on Hacker News here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33255920 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33255920 and more recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41496725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41496725