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Nice deflection but you're arguing in bad faith. The OP is correct, since although the official Israel account is quote tweeting Shai Davidai, the most shamele

Nice deflection but you're arguing in bad faith. The OP is correct, since although the official Israel account is quote tweeting Shai Davidai, the most shameless zionist hasbarist on twitter, Israel's tweet is still self contained and is clearly trying to demonize and vilify the protestors as terrorists based on their "ideology" i.e. fighting back against your colonizer and oppressor is "terrorism" because any opposition to the racist colonial enterprise that is Israel has to be demonized and delegitimized by Zionists while they themselves engage in blatant terrorism. Israel's propaganda is so awful and lazy that it has become predictable. They will always hyperfocus on fringe cases, even manufacture such cases if they don't exist, in order to delegitimize the whole protest. And anyone who actually followed the protests carefully has witnessed that Zionists were the aggressors trying to intimidate anyone who opposes Israel's actions in Gaza in any shape or form. Furthermore, the "they were intimidating jewish students" narrative has become so laughable at this point because zionists perceive any opposition to Israel as "intimidating" and so they are abusing the jewish identity as a shield to protect the israeli apartheid entity from criticism. People are sick and tired of this game because they have seen zionists playing these sick and twisted mind games for decades.

gruez 2y ago
I never claimed that those videos are representative of all anti-israel protests, or that either accounts aren't engaging in bad faith argumentation, but at the end of the day, the linked tweet does not substantiate the object level question of "[israel] consider US students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza to be terrorists". The examples might be cherry picked, but it's a stretch to claim that a thread calling the worst protesters "terrorists" actually means they think all anti-israel protesters are "terrorists". Cherry picking is bad, but two wrongs don't make a right.
- jedimind 2y ago
  It's not a stretch by any means - you are bending over backwards to sanitize the most obvious propaganda to vilify and demonize protesting students at columbia by hyperfocusing on the fringe and leveraging that to delegitimize the whole. It's a pattern of propaganda in which Israel engages in regularly, one of their favorite strategies in fact. Both Israel's official account and Shai applied their smears indiscriminately, so there is no reason why I would need to interpret either tweet charitably since they are both primarily engaged in propaganda.
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    - jedimind 2y ago
      Your rhetoric is so laughable it's insane, you clearly enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing but you will not succeed in this case. Both tweets indiscriminately smeared protestors as "terrorists" and Israel's official account just said "they[the protestors] are terrorists" merely based on "their ideology" but you want me to be so charitable towards a propaganda account that even engaged in propaganda against Palestinians that is reminiscent of Nazi propaganda!? (e.g. caricatures of Palestinians as cockroaches and rats) >"well they don't say that explicitly, but if you take the other stuff they're doing into context then it's pretty clear think that and are engaging in propaganda" this is a laughable straw-man. I'm saying, as it's tweeted, that they smeared the protestors indiscriminately as terrorists based on their ideology of supporting resistance to colonization, but you are bending over backwards to sanitize the tweet by arguing semantics like a Nazi who hides behind dog-whistles and ambivalent language to retain a small degree of plausible deniability. anyone who is not hell-bent on arguing for the sake of arguing knows exactly that the purpose of that rhetoric is the blanket vilification of all protestors like they have done consistently for the past year. it's documented how zionists have persistently tried to smear protestors as "antisemitic", "terrorists" or any other evil known to man. Such dishonest strategies are the bread and butter of zionist propaganda. I will no longer entertain your bad faith argumentation.
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        jedimind 2y ago
        >You accuse them of "indiscriminately smeared protestors", but so far as I can tell, neither @Isarel tweet nor the @ShaiDavidai thread said that all protesters were terrorists LOL so according to your logic, although they both systematically vilified ALL protestors for months but haven't explicitly used the word "all" that is enough plausible deniability tho the smear is indiscriminate? So then we can also go through Nazi propaganda and every time it fails to include the word "all" we can assume that the Nazis didn't mean the peaceful jews, just some specific jews!? You simply want to argue for the sake of it, any sane person sees it for what it is - an attempt to vilify ALL protestors, like they have done consistently for decades. Zionists systematically vilified ALL protestors and pro-israel media explicitly described peaceful marches as "hate marches". You're playing devil's advocate but you are doing a terrible job at it and I don't even need to take into account the history of both accounts to prove my point because it's so obvious to anybody who isn't hell-bent on denying the obvious.
raxxorraxor 2y ago
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gruez 2y ago

I never claimed that those videos are representative of all anti-israel protests, or that either accounts aren't engaging in bad faith argumentation, but at the end of the day, the linked tweet does not substantiate the object level question of "[israel] consider US students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza to be terrorists". The examples might be cherry picked, but it's a stretch to claim that a thread calling the worst protesters "terrorists" actually means they think all anti-israel protesters are "terrorists". Cherry picking is bad, but two wrongs don't make a right.

jedimind 2y ago
It's not a stretch by any means - you are bending over backwards to sanitize the most obvious propaganda to vilify and demonize protesting students at columbia by hyperfocusing on the fringe and leveraging that to delegitimize the whole. It's a pattern of propaganda in which Israel engages in regularly, one of their favorite strategies in fact. Both Israel's official account and Shai applied their smears indiscriminately, so there is no reason why I would need to interpret either tweet charitably since they are both primarily engaged in propaganda.
- gruez 2y ago
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  - jedimind 2y ago
    Your rhetoric is so laughable it's insane, you clearly enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing but you will not succeed in this case. Both tweets indiscriminately smeared protestors as "terrorists" and Israel's official account just said "they[the protestors] are terrorists" merely based on "their ideology" but you want me to be so charitable towards a propaganda account that even engaged in propaganda against Palestinians that is reminiscent of Nazi propaganda!? (e.g. caricatures of Palestinians as cockroaches and rats) >"well they don't say that explicitly, but if you take the other stuff they're doing into context then it's pretty clear think that and are engaging in propaganda" this is a laughable straw-man. I'm saying, as it's tweeted, that they smeared the protestors indiscriminately as terrorists based on their ideology of supporting resistance to colonization, but you are bending over backwards to sanitize the tweet by arguing semantics like a Nazi who hides behind dog-whistles and ambivalent language to retain a small degree of plausible deniability. anyone who is not hell-bent on arguing for the sake of arguing knows exactly that the purpose of that rhetoric is the blanket vilification of all protestors like they have done consistently for the past year. it's documented how zionists have persistently tried to smear protestors as "antisemitic", "terrorists" or any other evil known to man. Such dishonest strategies are the bread and butter of zionist propaganda. I will no longer entertain your bad faith argumentation.
    - gruez 2y ago
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      - jedimind 2y ago
        >You accuse them of "indiscriminately smeared protestors", but so far as I can tell, neither @Isarel tweet nor the @ShaiDavidai thread said that all protesters were terrorists LOL so according to your logic, although they both systematically vilified ALL protestors for months but haven't explicitly used the word "all" that is enough plausible deniability tho the smear is indiscriminate? So then we can also go through Nazi propaganda and every time it fails to include the word "all" we can assume that the Nazis didn't mean the peaceful jews, just some specific jews!? You simply want to argue for the sake of it, any sane person sees it for what it is - an attempt to vilify ALL protestors, like they have done consistently for decades. Zionists systematically vilified ALL protestors and pro-israel media explicitly described peaceful marches as "hate marches". You're playing devil's advocate but you are doing a terrible job at it and I don't even need to take into account the history of both accounts to prove my point because it's so obvious to anybody who isn't hell-bent on denying the obvious.

raxxorraxor 2y ago

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