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https://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435 https://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435

by 34679 2y ago

gruez 2y ago
Thanks. The quoted tweet mentions "videos", and is actually a thread of multiple posts. You have to be signed in to see them, or use a nitter proxy[1]. If you look at those videos, it's clear that they're not calling the protesters "terrorists" for merely protesting, they're calling them "terrorists" for engaging in behavior such as intimidating jewish students or praising the October 7th attacks. It's slightly misleading to round that off to "protesting Israel's actions in Gaza". [1] https://xcancel.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927143758262389 https://xcancel.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927143758262389
- jedimind 2y ago
  Nice deflection but you're arguing in bad faith. The OP is correct, since although the official Israel account is quote tweeting Shai Davidai, the most shameless zionist hasbarist on twitter, Israel's tweet is still self contained and is clearly trying to demonize and vilify the protestors as terrorists based on their "ideology" i.e. fighting back against your colonizer and oppressor is "terrorism" because any opposition to the racist colonial enterprise that is Israel has to be demonized and delegitimized by Zionists while they themselves engage in blatant terrorism. Israel's propaganda is so awful and lazy that it has become predictable. They will always hyperfocus on fringe cases, even manufacture such cases if they don't exist, in order to delegitimize the whole protest. And anyone who actually followed the protests carefully has witnessed that Zionists were the aggressors trying to intimidate anyone who opposes Israel's actions in Gaza in any shape or form. Furthermore, the "they were intimidating jewish students" narrative has become so laughable at this point because zionists perceive any opposition to Israel as "intimidating" and so they are abusing the jewish identity as a shield to protect the israeli apartheid entity from criticism. People are sick and tired of this game because they have seen zionists playing these sick and twisted mind games for decades.
  - gruez 2y ago
    I never claimed that those videos are representative of all anti-israel protests, or that either accounts aren't engaging in bad faith argumentation, but at the end of the day, the linked tweet does not substantiate the object level question of "[israel] consider US students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza to be terrorists". The examples might be cherry picked, but it's a stretch to claim that a thread calling the worst protesters "terrorists" actually means they think all anti-israel protesters are "terrorists". Cherry picking is bad, but two wrongs don't make a right.
    - jedimind 2y ago
      It's not a stretch by any means - you are bending over backwards to sanitize the most obvious propaganda to vilify and demonize protesting students at columbia by hyperfocusing on the fringe and leveraging that to delegitimize the whole. It's a pattern of propaganda in which Israel engages in regularly, one of their favorite strategies in fact. Both Israel's official account and Shai applied their smears indiscriminately, so there is no reason why I would need to interpret either tweet charitably since they are both primarily engaged in propaganda.
      - gruez 2y ago
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        jedimind 2y ago
        Your rhetoric is so laughable it's insane, you clearly enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing but you will not succeed in this case. Both tweets indiscriminately smeared protestors as "terrorists" and Israel's official account just said "they[the protestors] are terrorists" merely based on "their ideology" but you want me to be so charitable towards a propaganda account that even engaged in propaganda against Palestinians that is reminiscent of Nazi propaganda!? (e.g. caricatures of Palestinians as cockroaches and rats) >"well they don't say that explicitly, but if you take the other stuff they're doing into context then it's pretty clear think that and are engaging in propaganda" this is a laughable straw-man. I'm saying, as it's tweeted, that they smeared the protestors indiscriminately as terrorists based on their ideology of supporting resistance to colonization, but you are bending over backwards to sanitize the tweet by arguing semantics like a Nazi who hides behind dog-whistles and ambivalent language to retain a small degree of plausible deniability. anyone who is not hell-bent on arguing for the sake of arguing knows exactly that the purpose of that rhetoric is the blanket vilification of all protestors like they have done consistently for the past year. it's documented how zionists have persistently tried to smear protestors as "antisemitic", "terrorists" or any other evil known to man. Such dishonest strategies are the bread and butter of zionist propaganda. I will no longer entertain your bad faith argumentation.
- kylebenzle 2y ago
  That sounds like what the IDF would say too. Do you have anything to back your statement?
  - gruez 2y ago
    >Do you have anything to back your statement? Did you not see the xcancel link?
- aguaviva 2y ago
  It's slightly misleading to round that off to "protesting Israel's actions in Gaza". It's very misleading to round it off that way, and that's exactly why Israel crafted that retweet the way it did. Even though the underlying tweet tells a different story, by truncating and framing the material in that way -- by juxtaposing the insipid "(a)-(b)-(c)" argument with a video of a perfectly nondescript protest scene -- it's very clear that the intent to convey a simple, visceral, 3-second emotional impression: "protesting Israel's actions in gaza == support for terrorists == terrorism".
  - gruez 2y ago
    >Even though the underlying tweet tells a different story, by truncating and framing the material the way they did It seems like a stretch to argue they're "truncating" the material, when twitter doesn't provide a way to link threads besides quoting the first tweet. >it's very clear that what they're trying to do is to convey a simple 3-second emotional impression: "protesting Israel's actions in gaza == support for terrorists == terrorism". I certainly didn't get that impression when reading the tweet. I agree the video was nondescript, which was why I went out of my way to use a nitter instance to see whether there were more to that tweet. The standards around "well if you read between the lines..." accusations are seemingly so low that in any given argument you could use them on both sides. For instance, you could plausibly argue that by linking to a thread where the worst pro-palestinian protesters were called "terorrists", and describing that as "[israel] consider US students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza to be terrorists", it gives the "emotional impression" that you can't denounce any aspect of pro-palestinian protesters without being accused of thinking the entire movement are terrorists.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      Right -- if they dig into the context (which of takes infinitely more time, and then they have to be logged into Elon's hate machine to even see it) then they'll find the more "nuanced" information below it (for what in the hasbara world counts as "nuanced" anyway), which is at least somewhat less brainwash-y and does try to make some kind of point. But the whole intent of the retweet's framing (its truncating) of the underlying tweet is to bypass all of that, and just get straight to the cortisol-spiking emotional imagery.
kylebenzle 2y ago
Report that tweet for the hate speech and violence it is.

https://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435 https://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435

by 34679 2y ago

https://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435 https://x.com/Israel/status/1781951509070012435

Thanks. The quoted tweet mentions "videos", and is actually a thread of multiple posts. You have to be signed in to see them, or use a nitter proxy[1]. If you look at those videos, it's clear that they're not calling the protesters "terrorists" for merely protesting, they're calling them "terrorists" for engaging in behavior such as intimidating jewish students or praising the October 7th attacks. It's slightly misleading to round that off to "protesting Israel's actions in Gaza". [1] https://xcancel.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927143758262389 https://xcancel.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927143758262389

jedimind 2y ago
Nice deflection but you're arguing in bad faith. The OP is correct, since although the official Israel account is quote tweeting Shai Davidai, the most shameless zionist hasbarist on twitter, Israel's tweet is still self contained and is clearly trying to demonize and vilify the protestors as terrorists based on their "ideology" i.e. fighting back against your colonizer and oppressor is "terrorism" because any opposition to the racist colonial enterprise that is Israel has to be demonized and delegitimized by Zionists while they themselves engage in blatant terrorism. Israel's propaganda is so awful and lazy that it has become predictable. They will always hyperfocus on fringe cases, even manufacture such cases if they don't exist, in order to delegitimize the whole protest. And anyone who actually followed the protests carefully has witnessed that Zionists were the aggressors trying to intimidate anyone who opposes Israel's actions in Gaza in any shape or form. Furthermore, the "they were intimidating jewish students" narrative has become so laughable at this point because zionists perceive any opposition to Israel as "intimidating" and so they are abusing the jewish identity as a shield to protect the israeli apartheid entity from criticism. People are sick and tired of this game because they have seen zionists playing these sick and twisted mind games for decades.
- gruez 2y ago
  I never claimed that those videos are representative of all anti-israel protests, or that either accounts aren't engaging in bad faith argumentation, but at the end of the day, the linked tweet does not substantiate the object level question of "[israel] consider US students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza to be terrorists". The examples might be cherry picked, but it's a stretch to claim that a thread calling the worst protesters "terrorists" actually means they think all anti-israel protesters are "terrorists". Cherry picking is bad, but two wrongs don't make a right.
  - jedimind 2y ago
    It's not a stretch by any means - you are bending over backwards to sanitize the most obvious propaganda to vilify and demonize protesting students at columbia by hyperfocusing on the fringe and leveraging that to delegitimize the whole. It's a pattern of propaganda in which Israel engages in regularly, one of their favorite strategies in fact. Both Israel's official account and Shai applied their smears indiscriminately, so there is no reason why I would need to interpret either tweet charitably since they are both primarily engaged in propaganda.
    - gruez 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - jedimind 2y ago
        Your rhetoric is so laughable it's insane, you clearly enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing but you will not succeed in this case. Both tweets indiscriminately smeared protestors as "terrorists" and Israel's official account just said "they[the protestors] are terrorists" merely based on "their ideology" but you want me to be so charitable towards a propaganda account that even engaged in propaganda against Palestinians that is reminiscent of Nazi propaganda!? (e.g. caricatures of Palestinians as cockroaches and rats) >"well they don't say that explicitly, but if you take the other stuff they're doing into context then it's pretty clear think that and are engaging in propaganda" this is a laughable straw-man. I'm saying, as it's tweeted, that they smeared the protestors indiscriminately as terrorists based on their ideology of supporting resistance to colonization, but you are bending over backwards to sanitize the tweet by arguing semantics like a Nazi who hides behind dog-whistles and ambivalent language to retain a small degree of plausible deniability. anyone who is not hell-bent on arguing for the sake of arguing knows exactly that the purpose of that rhetoric is the blanket vilification of all protestors like they have done consistently for the past year. it's documented how zionists have persistently tried to smear protestors as "antisemitic", "terrorists" or any other evil known to man. Such dishonest strategies are the bread and butter of zionist propaganda. I will no longer entertain your bad faith argumentation.
kylebenzle 2y ago
That sounds like what the IDF would say too. Do you have anything to back your statement?
- gruez 2y ago
  >Do you have anything to back your statement? Did you not see the xcancel link?
aguaviva 2y ago
It's slightly misleading to round that off to "protesting Israel's actions in Gaza". It's very misleading to round it off that way, and that's exactly why Israel crafted that retweet the way it did. Even though the underlying tweet tells a different story, by truncating and framing the material in that way -- by juxtaposing the insipid "(a)-(b)-(c)" argument with a video of a perfectly nondescript protest scene -- it's very clear that the intent to convey a simple, visceral, 3-second emotional impression: "protesting Israel's actions in gaza == support for terrorists == terrorism".
- gruez 2y ago
  >Even though the underlying tweet tells a different story, by truncating and framing the material the way they did It seems like a stretch to argue they're "truncating" the material, when twitter doesn't provide a way to link threads besides quoting the first tweet. >it's very clear that what they're trying to do is to convey a simple 3-second emotional impression: "protesting Israel's actions in gaza == support for terrorists == terrorism". I certainly didn't get that impression when reading the tweet. I agree the video was nondescript, which was why I went out of my way to use a nitter instance to see whether there were more to that tweet. The standards around "well if you read between the lines..." accusations are seemingly so low that in any given argument you could use them on both sides. For instance, you could plausibly argue that by linking to a thread where the worst pro-palestinian protesters were called "terorrists", and describing that as "[israel] consider US students protesting Israel's actions in Gaza to be terrorists", it gives the "emotional impression" that you can't denounce any aspect of pro-palestinian protesters without being accused of thinking the entire movement are terrorists.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Right -- if they dig into the context (which of takes infinitely more time, and then they have to be logged into Elon's hate machine to even see it) then they'll find the more "nuanced" information below it (for what in the hasbara world counts as "nuanced" anyway), which is at least somewhat less brainwash-y and does try to make some kind of point. But the whole intent of the retweet's framing (its truncating) of the underlying tweet is to bypass all of that, and just get straight to the cortisol-spiking emotional imagery.

kylebenzle 2y ago

Report that tweet for the hate speech and violence it is.