> I personally don't know what to think. I think the US framing of the situation is childish: "the Ukrainians wanted to leave and Russia doesn't want them to".

> I personally don't know what to think. I think the US framing of the situation is childish: "the Ukrainians wanted to leave and Russia doesn't want them to". They’re framing nothing. This is literally what happened. > As if they wouldn't do exactly the same thing, where they in that situation. That’s irrelevant to the current situation. > Even way back before Ukraine, people question why Russia has been kept as an enemy after the fall of the Soviet Union. Because they don't submit to the US hegemony? But they could be allies. India doesn't submit either, for that matter, but they are semi-allies. But not Russia. Because? We wouldn't be in the current situation if Russia wasn't antagonized so hard way back then. Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria. Constant meddling in business of other post-Soviet republics. Wow, poor Russia being antagonized by evil West! > I think it is very hard to parse objectively what is happening because there is so much propaganda and heated opinions on the topic. Ah, old “hard to know REAL truth”. Straight out of Russia’s metodichka.