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I am curious to how this will play out, as far as I know, he's known for prioritizing design over functionality and even willing to sacrifice it. I am still a f

I am curious to how this will play out, as far as I know, he's known for prioritizing design over functionality and even willing to sacrifice it. I am still a fan of him though.

loceng 2y ago
Was Jobs the counterweight to this, to keep it in check?
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago
  > Was Jobs the counterweight to this, to keep it in check? This is often said.
- iJohnDoe 2y ago
  Yes, it seems so. Then when Jobs passed away Ive was left to do his own thing. This led to butterfly keyboard problem, magsafe being removed, less ports, and lots of other things. Ignoring what the customer wants has always been Apple’s thing, but it can be taken too far. Steve Jobs was a huge fan of magsafe.
fakedang 2y ago
Is he the guy behind the Apple Mouse?
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  He played a significant role in the design, yes.
- NikkiA 2y ago
  Only since about the hockey puck mouse, the earlier Lisa, Macintosh and ADB mice weren't his design.
  - hedora 2y ago
    The hockey puck was the one that slowly rotated in your hand if you clicked, creating weird “why is mouse moving diagonally” problems. Also, you had to cover it with a pillow if you wanted to print via the Mac’s IR port.
- tracerbulletx 2y ago
  I don't know if there was any reason they couldn't put the charging port on the front, but it's not particularly problematic in real world usage because you almost never have to charge it and it takes 15 minutes. I think the flatness is a trade off with the ability to have gesture controls on the surface, which I don't prefer compared to better ergonomics at my desk but Apple Mouse is actually incredible for using laying on the couch or in bed. Also good for travel and packing.
  - Kwpolska 2y ago
    You have to stop work for 15 minutes to charge, but it isn't a full charge, so you need to remember to plug it in overnight. Meanwhile, with a well-designed mouse, I can just plug it in, relive the experience of a wired mouse for a few hours, and end up with a fully charged mouse.
    - throwaway314155 2y ago
      Apple is trying to reduce the number of required connected wires at any given time. Obviously you have to recharge at some point, but another way to minimize it is to refuse to operate when plugged in. That's all Apple did - it was deliberate, not some "horrible design mistake". You're welcome to disagree with the premise that fewer wires is better. I personally like their opinions but definitely not for everyone.
      - sdflhasjd 2y ago
        "deliberate" and "horrible design mistake" aren't mutually exclusive (see: touchbar). I don't think anyone's suggesting Apple didn't recognise the conflict with charging and usage until after they'd made it. Now we've reached the conclusion of this discussion with a good old "well that's just like, your opinion, man" I would like to add that the magic mouse is not as popular as their other peripherals. In fact, at least in the office I work in, people would rather use a £5 Amazon special than one of the spare Magic Mice laying around.
        2y ago
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  From Wikipedia > Working closely with Jobs during their tenure together at Apple, Ive played a vital role in the designs of the iMac, Power Mac G4 Cube, iPod, iPhone, iPad, MacBook, and the user interface of Apple's mobile operating system iOS, among other products. He was responsible for the design of major architectural projects including Apple Park and Apple Stores.
ergocoder 2y ago
It will probably fail. It's common for visions to clash. Then both of them are hugely influential and have fuck you money. It is too easy to either of them to walk out on the deal.

I am curious to how this will play out, as far as I know, he's known for prioritizing design over functionality and even willing to sacrifice it. I am still a fan of him though.

loceng 2y ago

Was Jobs the counterweight to this, to keep it in check?

aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> Was Jobs the counterweight to this, to keep it in check? This is often said.
iJohnDoe 2y ago
Yes, it seems so. Then when Jobs passed away Ive was left to do his own thing. This led to butterfly keyboard problem, magsafe being removed, less ports, and lots of other things. Ignoring what the customer wants has always been Apple’s thing, but it can be taken too far. Steve Jobs was a huge fan of magsafe.

fakedang 2y ago

Is he the guy behind the Apple Mouse?

Alifatisk 2y ago
He played a significant role in the design, yes.
NikkiA 2y ago
Only since about the hockey puck mouse, the earlier Lisa, Macintosh and ADB mice weren't his design.
- hedora 2y ago
  The hockey puck was the one that slowly rotated in your hand if you clicked, creating weird “why is mouse moving diagonally” problems. Also, you had to cover it with a pillow if you wanted to print via the Mac’s IR port.
tracerbulletx 2y ago
I don't know if there was any reason they couldn't put the charging port on the front, but it's not particularly problematic in real world usage because you almost never have to charge it and it takes 15 minutes. I think the flatness is a trade off with the ability to have gesture controls on the surface, which I don't prefer compared to better ergonomics at my desk but Apple Mouse is actually incredible for using laying on the couch or in bed. Also good for travel and packing.
- Kwpolska 2y ago
  You have to stop work for 15 minutes to charge, but it isn't a full charge, so you need to remember to plug it in overnight. Meanwhile, with a well-designed mouse, I can just plug it in, relive the experience of a wired mouse for a few hours, and end up with a fully charged mouse.
  - throwaway314155 2y ago
    Apple is trying to reduce the number of required connected wires at any given time. Obviously you have to recharge at some point, but another way to minimize it is to refuse to operate when plugged in. That's all Apple did - it was deliberate, not some "horrible design mistake". You're welcome to disagree with the premise that fewer wires is better. I personally like their opinions but definitely not for everyone.
    - sdflhasjd 2y ago
      "deliberate" and "horrible design mistake" aren't mutually exclusive (see: touchbar). I don't think anyone's suggesting Apple didn't recognise the conflict with charging and usage until after they'd made it. Now we've reached the conclusion of this discussion with a good old "well that's just like, your opinion, man" I would like to add that the magic mouse is not as popular as their other peripherals. In fact, at least in the office I work in, people would rather use a £5 Amazon special than one of the spare Magic Mice laying around.
      - 2y ago
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
From Wikipedia > Working closely with Jobs during their tenure together at Apple, Ive played a vital role in the designs of the iMac, Power Mac G4 Cube, iPod, iPhone, iPad, MacBook, and the user interface of Apple's mobile operating system iOS, among other products. He was responsible for the design of major architectural projects including Apple Park and Apple Stores.

ergocoder 2y ago

It will probably fail. It's common for visions to clash. Then both of them are hugely influential and have fuck you money. It is too easy to either of them to walk out on the deal.