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Incredibly Ambitious SMB 3 Hack Released After 12 Years

134 points by CM30 2y ago

umvi 2y ago
Looks great. In the same vein I also enjoyed the rom hack "Super Mario Bros. 3mix". One of the worlds is space themed and features Mario Galaxy style gravity hijinks. https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2068/ https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2068/
- CM30 2y ago
  Oh yeah I remember 3Mix. It's got some incredibly interesting mechanics and world themes, and it felt like a huge step forward for the Mario 3 hacking scene. I also interviewed its developer at one point too: https://gamingreinvented.com/interview/lets-interview-super-mario-bros-3mix-creator-captain-southbird/ https://gamingreinvented.com/interview/lets-interview-super-... (also did the same for the creator of the hack mentioned in this post too)
a2tech 2y ago
This is super Mario bros 3, not server messaging block v3 if you were as confused as me
- CM30 2y ago
  I genuinely did not know that the acronym had another use, apologies. Apparently Wikipedia thinks it can refers to Server Messaging Block, Super Mario Bros 3 or Super Mega Baseball 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMB3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMB3
  - Sakos 2y ago
    Really glad to see Super Mega Baseball 3 is getting the recognition it deserves.
  - nyanpasu64 2y ago
    BRB going back in time and drugging Sega into making Super Monkey Ball 3 instead of whatever they were thinking with Adventure...
snapplebobapple 2y ago
Thanks for making my heart skip a few beats thinking I was going to have a butt load of mitigation work to do for my cifs shares at the office starting immediately and ruining the last day of my weekend....
- logifail 2y ago
  google.com/search?q=smb+3 agrees - SMB 3 is the network file sharing protocol
- artie_effim 2y ago
  same - I was like "Oh GAWD, what now...."
  - snapplebobapple 2y ago
    On the bright side, our hearts passed the stress test.
- userbinator 2y ago
  I hope you don't have shares exposed to the Internet.
  - snapplebobapple 2y ago
    no, of course not, but I can't leave security holes wide open regardless. Having the possibility of the users privilege escalating or something like that is enough to ruin a guy's weekend regardless of the lack of direct internet access.
- x3n0ph3n3 2y ago
  Seriously. Change the damn title.
- 7bit 2y ago
  It's called SMB. CIFS is an oooooold dialect, not used any longer.
ok123456 2y ago
Better archive this before Nintendo DMCAs it.
- lbourdages 2y ago
  Mario rom hacks are perfectly legal since the only thing that gets distributed is a patch file - the original ROM has to be provided by the user. Sites like SMW Central[1] contain thousands of hacks and Nintendo hasn't done anything about it. [1] https://www.smwcentral.net/ https://www.smwcentral.net/
  - zamadatix 2y ago
    Adding on with a wall of text diving into the specific differences in projects that either have or haven't attracted Nintendo's legal attention (tl;dr: it's a lot more than just visibility/popularity). While it's always possible Nintendo will just decide to go after these one day (right or wrong in doing so) that they didn't even attempt to touch this particular type of Mario romhacking scene when Mario Maker came out ~10 years ago makes me think these particular types of projects (patchsets on old games without copyright protection) won't receive much trouble. Doubly so for these types of projects which don't (in and of themselves) make the game playable on unofficial systems. Nintendo seems largely focused on direct redistribution, non-patchset based remakes, "cracking" of modern game DRM/security to allow modification/unauthorized playing, and distribution of gameplay content on media which have stricter takedown requirements than the law strictly requires (e.g. YouTube). This makes some sense as Nintendo has either previously demonstrated these types of cases in court or has previously signalled they believe they could easily do so if challenged. While Nintendo, right or wrong in a specific instance, could definitely get away with a decent amount of "legal bullying" of individuals not interested in fighting a legal battle with a large company over their hobby website they aren't necessarily going to be interested in picking tons of such battles if they aren't relatively sure they'd win should one actually result in a real court battle. Setting precedent in court that something is explicitly okay (like 3rd party games, emulation, personal game backups) can sometimes be worse than just letting it ride as an "underground" thing. Particularly if they are defending their property elsewhere and it'd be hard for someone to argue in court these romhacks existing is counter to that. Anyways, this wall of text is to say: sure, nobody knows what Nintendo is going to do tomorrow, but 20 years of romhacks later they've never hinted at going after this particular type of project, despite going after many nearly identical but slightly differently implemented projects, so the same "get it before Nintendo DMCAs it" comment that one would expect from those threads doesn't necessarily hold the same weight. Not that it's an absolute possibility, anything is possible, but if this type of project were the only one then people wouldn't have the "it'll be DMCA'd by tomorrow" notion. But do back it up anyways... a great deal many more early efforts have been lost to the sands of time than Nintendo's lawyers.
stelonix 2y ago
Used to hang in the same irc room as the author. The asm hacks were impressive at the time. It's crazy it's been 20 years
webdevladder 2y ago
This looks incredibly well-designed and documented, can't wait to watch some speed runs!
kristopolous 2y ago
I might just not be seeing it but is there any video with the gameplay to watch?
- CM30 2y ago
  Most I can find is the trailer for the demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN1ORLvuamI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN1ORLvuamI Unfortunately, the author seems to market their work on Facebook more than anywhere else, without much of a YouTube presence or what not.
  - Medox 2y ago
    She does have multiple videos on that channel [1] tough, including development videos [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/@DahrkDaiz/videos https://www.youtube.com/@DahrkDaiz/videos [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb7HQ6jSCf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb7HQ6jSCf0
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    I watched a 4 hour stream today. I know, I had no idea I was going to watch that long either. It's really fascinating what has been accomplished
olliej 2y ago
I read this as Samba and was super worried for a moment.

134 points by CM30 2y ago

umvi 2y ago

Looks great. In the same vein I also enjoyed the rom hack "Super Mario Bros. 3mix". One of the worlds is space themed and features Mario Galaxy style gravity hijinks. https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2068/ https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2068/

CM30 2y ago
Oh yeah I remember 3Mix. It's got some incredibly interesting mechanics and world themes, and it felt like a huge step forward for the Mario 3 hacking scene. I also interviewed its developer at one point too: https://gamingreinvented.com/interview/lets-interview-super-mario-bros-3mix-creator-captain-southbird/ https://gamingreinvented.com/interview/lets-interview-super-... (also did the same for the creator of the hack mentioned in this post too)

a2tech 2y ago

This is super Mario bros 3, not server messaging block v3 if you were as confused as me

CM30 2y ago
I genuinely did not know that the acronym had another use, apologies. Apparently Wikipedia thinks it can refers to Server Messaging Block, Super Mario Bros 3 or Super Mega Baseball 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMB3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMB3
- Sakos 2y ago
  Really glad to see Super Mega Baseball 3 is getting the recognition it deserves.
- nyanpasu64 2y ago
  BRB going back in time and drugging Sega into making Super Monkey Ball 3 instead of whatever they were thinking with Adventure...

snapplebobapple 2y ago

Thanks for making my heart skip a few beats thinking I was going to have a butt load of mitigation work to do for my cifs shares at the office starting immediately and ruining the last day of my weekend....

logifail 2y ago
google.com/search?q=smb+3 agrees - SMB 3 is the network file sharing protocol
artie_effim 2y ago
same - I was like "Oh GAWD, what now...."
- snapplebobapple 2y ago
  On the bright side, our hearts passed the stress test.
userbinator 2y ago
I hope you don't have shares exposed to the Internet.
- snapplebobapple 2y ago
  no, of course not, but I can't leave security holes wide open regardless. Having the possibility of the users privilege escalating or something like that is enough to ruin a guy's weekend regardless of the lack of direct internet access.
x3n0ph3n3 2y ago
Seriously. Change the damn title.
7bit 2y ago
It's called SMB. CIFS is an oooooold dialect, not used any longer.

ok123456 2y ago

Better archive this before Nintendo DMCAs it.

lbourdages 2y ago
Mario rom hacks are perfectly legal since the only thing that gets distributed is a patch file - the original ROM has to be provided by the user. Sites like SMW Central[1] contain thousands of hacks and Nintendo hasn't done anything about it. [1] https://www.smwcentral.net/ https://www.smwcentral.net/
- zamadatix 2y ago
  Adding on with a wall of text diving into the specific differences in projects that either have or haven't attracted Nintendo's legal attention (tl;dr: it's a lot more than just visibility/popularity). While it's always possible Nintendo will just decide to go after these one day (right or wrong in doing so) that they didn't even attempt to touch this particular type of Mario romhacking scene when Mario Maker came out ~10 years ago makes me think these particular types of projects (patchsets on old games without copyright protection) won't receive much trouble. Doubly so for these types of projects which don't (in and of themselves) make the game playable on unofficial systems. Nintendo seems largely focused on direct redistribution, non-patchset based remakes, "cracking" of modern game DRM/security to allow modification/unauthorized playing, and distribution of gameplay content on media which have stricter takedown requirements than the law strictly requires (e.g. YouTube). This makes some sense as Nintendo has either previously demonstrated these types of cases in court or has previously signalled they believe they could easily do so if challenged. While Nintendo, right or wrong in a specific instance, could definitely get away with a decent amount of "legal bullying" of individuals not interested in fighting a legal battle with a large company over their hobby website they aren't necessarily going to be interested in picking tons of such battles if they aren't relatively sure they'd win should one actually result in a real court battle. Setting precedent in court that something is explicitly okay (like 3rd party games, emulation, personal game backups) can sometimes be worse than just letting it ride as an "underground" thing. Particularly if they are defending their property elsewhere and it'd be hard for someone to argue in court these romhacks existing is counter to that. Anyways, this wall of text is to say: sure, nobody knows what Nintendo is going to do tomorrow, but 20 years of romhacks later they've never hinted at going after this particular type of project, despite going after many nearly identical but slightly differently implemented projects, so the same "get it before Nintendo DMCAs it" comment that one would expect from those threads doesn't necessarily hold the same weight. Not that it's an absolute possibility, anything is possible, but if this type of project were the only one then people wouldn't have the "it'll be DMCA'd by tomorrow" notion. But do back it up anyways... a great deal many more early efforts have been lost to the sands of time than Nintendo's lawyers.

stelonix 2y ago

Used to hang in the same irc room as the author. The asm hacks were impressive at the time. It's crazy it's been 20 years

webdevladder 2y ago

This looks incredibly well-designed and documented, can't wait to watch some speed runs!

kristopolous 2y ago

I might just not be seeing it but is there any video with the gameplay to watch?

CM30 2y ago
Most I can find is the trailer for the demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN1ORLvuamI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN1ORLvuamI Unfortunately, the author seems to market their work on Facebook more than anywhere else, without much of a YouTube presence or what not.
- Medox 2y ago
  She does have multiple videos on that channel [1] tough, including development videos [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/@DahrkDaiz/videos https://www.youtube.com/@DahrkDaiz/videos [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb7HQ6jSCf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb7HQ6jSCf0
- kristopolous 2y ago
  I watched a 4 hour stream today. I know, I had no idea I was going to watch that long either. It's really fascinating what has been accomplished

olliej 2y ago

I read this as Samba and was super worried for a moment.