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Matt is mad that WP Engine is profiting without contributing much back. This "it's not WordPress" seems like a fig leaf on top of that concern.

by wmf 2y ago

bastawhiz 2y ago
It's his right to feel like that, but it's also WP Engine's right under the WordPress source's license to do what they're doing.
- b112 2y ago
  As a devil's advocate sort of thing... For no reason I can give you the finger, scream obscenities at you, and there are no legal ramifications. Was I wrong? The legal side is not the end all. Otherwise, why is anyone complaining about Meta's data mining? About the cost of epipens?
  - bastawhiz 2y ago
    The cost of epipens affects someone's ability to not die. Whether WP Engine contributes back to WordPress enough does not. In fact, Mullenweg says WP Engine does contribute back, but not enough, and tries to justify it by saying they've "hacked up" WordPress. The latter statement has no legs to stand on (at least without real evidence). How much is enough? Should WP Engine be fixing bugs that don't affect their customers? Exerting influence by throwing contributors at wordpress to make upstream improvements that benefit WP Engine customers? I suspect if WP Engine did what Mullenweg is indirectly demanding, we'd get a "no not like that!" post.
    - b112 2y ago
      The cost of epipens affects someone's ability to not die. Whether WP Engine contributes back to WordPress enough does not. My example also cited two non-life threatening issues, and discussed legal vs morality. You have not addressed this point, so I'll be more direct about it. Doing something legal doesn't make it OK. In fact doing something legal does not imply right or wrong.
nsonha 2y ago
But the wording makes it like it's about revisions.
- JoBrad 2y ago
  And the title
bluevaletines 2y ago
Matt is moving the goalposts of what he’s considering “contribution.” WP Engine has been the top sponsor of all WordCamps for years.

Matt is mad that WP Engine is profiting without contributing much back. This "it's not WordPress" seems like a fig leaf on top of that concern.

by wmf 2y ago

Matt is mad that WP Engine is profiting without contributing much back. This "it's not WordPress" seems like a fig leaf on top of that concern.

bastawhiz 2y ago

It's his right to feel like that, but it's also WP Engine's right under the WordPress source's license to do what they're doing.

b112 2y ago
As a devil's advocate sort of thing... For no reason I can give you the finger, scream obscenities at you, and there are no legal ramifications. Was I wrong? The legal side is not the end all. Otherwise, why is anyone complaining about Meta's data mining? About the cost of epipens?
- bastawhiz 2y ago
  The cost of epipens affects someone's ability to not die. Whether WP Engine contributes back to WordPress enough does not. In fact, Mullenweg says WP Engine does contribute back, but not enough, and tries to justify it by saying they've "hacked up" WordPress. The latter statement has no legs to stand on (at least without real evidence). How much is enough? Should WP Engine be fixing bugs that don't affect their customers? Exerting influence by throwing contributors at wordpress to make upstream improvements that benefit WP Engine customers? I suspect if WP Engine did what Mullenweg is indirectly demanding, we'd get a "no not like that!" post.
  - b112 2y ago
    The cost of epipens affects someone's ability to not die. Whether WP Engine contributes back to WordPress enough does not. My example also cited two non-life threatening issues, and discussed legal vs morality. You have not addressed this point, so I'll be more direct about it. Doing something legal doesn't make it OK. In fact doing something legal does not imply right or wrong.

nsonha 2y ago

But the wording makes it like it's about revisions.

JoBrad 2y ago
And the title

bluevaletines 2y ago

Matt is moving the goalposts of what he’s considering “contribution.” WP Engine has been the top sponsor of all WordCamps for years.