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>the telemetry of VSCode is non-personal metrics But I don't want it. I want my software to work for me, not against me. >and some of the most popular extensi

>the telemetry of VSCode is non-personal metrics But I don't want it. I want my software to work for me, not against me. >and some of the most popular extensions are only available with VSCode, not with Codium. I'll manage without them. What's especially annoying is that this restriction is completely artificial. Having said that, MS did a great job with VsCode and I applaud them for that. I guess nothing is perfect, and I bet these decisions were made by suits against engineer wishes.

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neoberg 2y ago
> But I don't want it. I want my software to work for me, not against me. How is said software working "against" you by collecint non-personal telemetry while purpose of that telemetry usually is making the software better for most users?
- tripzilch 2y ago
  Software did absolutely not get any better after corporations started adding telemetry to their software. Point in case: Software actually got worse. Second point in case: Great software and editors have been built without telemetry for decades.
- noman-land 2y ago
  You just need to swap out some nouns and the offense will become more obvious. "How is that chair working 'against' you by collecting 'non-personal' sitting patterns tagged with timestamps and information about the chair and house that it's in while the purpose of that data collection 'usually' is making the chair better for other people?" When I use a product, I'm not implicitly inviting the makers of that product to perpetually monitor my usage of the product so that they can make more money based on my data. In any other part of life other than software, this would be an obscene assumption for a product maker to make. But in software, people give it a pass. No. This type of data collection is obscene when informed consent is not clearly and authoritatively acquired in advance.
- spl757 2y ago
  Why did you use quotataion marks around that particular word?
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  >usually is making the software better for most users? that usually hasn't been the case since at least a decade. it's truly bewildering that someone especially on hackernews would voluntarily give big tech there finger and not expect to get bitten.

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neoberg 2y ago

> But I don't want it. I want my software to work for me, not against me. How is said software working "against" you by collecint non-personal telemetry while purpose of that telemetry usually is making the software better for most users?

tripzilch 2y ago
Software did absolutely not get any better after corporations started adding telemetry to their software. Point in case: Software actually got worse. Second point in case: Great software and editors have been built without telemetry for decades.
noman-land 2y ago
You just need to swap out some nouns and the offense will become more obvious. "How is that chair working 'against' you by collecting 'non-personal' sitting patterns tagged with timestamps and information about the chair and house that it's in while the purpose of that data collection 'usually' is making the chair better for other people?" When I use a product, I'm not implicitly inviting the makers of that product to perpetually monitor my usage of the product so that they can make more money based on my data. In any other part of life other than software, this would be an obscene assumption for a product maker to make. But in software, people give it a pass. No. This type of data collection is obscene when informed consent is not clearly and authoritatively acquired in advance.
spl757 2y ago
Why did you use quotataion marks around that particular word?
akimbostrawman 2y ago
>usually is making the software better for most users? that usually hasn't been the case since at least a decade. it's truly bewildering that someone especially on hackernews would voluntarily give big tech there finger and not expect to get bitten.