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This article is likely fake, since it's not on vjeux's actual blog[0] and there's no mention on Twitter.[1] The style is also all off. [0] https://blog.vjeux.

This article is likely fake, since it's not on vjeux's actual blog[0] and there's no mention on Twitter.[1] The style is also all off. [0] https://blog.vjeux.com/ https://blog.vjeux.com/ [1] https://x.com/Vjeux https://x.com/Vjeux

samatman 2y ago
Must be a pretty deep conspiracy then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41613132 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41613132 Created in 2011, that's quite a long con...
- jsnell 2y ago
  The HN account being compromised seems like the obvious explanation.
  - samatman 2y ago
    No, this is not at all the obvious explanation. It could, conceivably, be the correct explanation, but it isn't the obvious one. Someone else mentioned two xx in the Medium name, there are two xx in the email in this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40335319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40335319 So the existence of another Medium account with one x is a fairly weak argument for the case so many people are making here. I'm not sure on what basis you all are coming to the conclusion you're coming to. Edit: this is fairly persuasive, however: https://x.com/Vjeux/status/1837639825203384412 https://x.com/Vjeux/status/1837639825203384412 That had not been posted when I wrote this, just a brand new green-name account talking about an unused Medium account with one of two variations on the name which Vjeux uses online. It does seem more likely at this point that his HN account, and not his Twitter account, is the compromised one.
    - jsnell 2y ago
      No, it really was the obvious explanation already at the time of that message. You'd already been shown that this post was not present on the author's blog, nor linked to on their active Twitter account. Both of these things were noted in the GP. Whose account is not green, and whom you were implying was making up a conspiracy theory about this post being fake. As for the post itself, it was on an otherwise empty Medium blog (you didn't need to look into how many xs the name had, just note that this blog had no other posts at all). On the other hand, the only link to legitimacy the post had was that it was posted by an old HN account. But it's also not a very active account. It's easy to see why and how somebody who had hijacked the HN account would use to to give legitimace to the fake. Your alternate theory that the Twitter account was actually compromised is preposterous. There's no motive for it, and it's hard to see how the timing would work out (the attacker using the HN account for misinformation gets to choose the timing of the misinformation; an attacker hacking a Twitter account to suppress the post doesn't).
    - talldayo 2y ago
      Occam's razor wins again
      - samatman 2y ago
        Precisely. I appreciate that you understand my perspective here.
1oooqooq 2y ago
regardless of theatrics or not, meta products does have lots of dark patterns to fetch the same data apple and google and amazon and samsung have access by shipping OS level ad networks on their devices. You simply cannot use whatsapp and other meta products without willing or unwillingly, give them full access to upload your contact list to their servers and fetch list of also-running apps.
- fragmede 2y ago
  Whatsapp doesn't have access to my contact data (which is a pita) because I didn't give that to them, unless you're claiming that there's a bug in the permissions model that Facebook is exploiting to upload it anyway. Which I'm sure the but bounty program at Apple would be delighted to pay you for, if you have any actual evidence of this happening.
  - 1oooqooq 2y ago
    congrats! now you have a broken app! go ahead, try to add any new contact. you will get a allow to read contact loop. denying contact access haven't worked since 2018 on android you can work around by adding all contacts via wa.me/+1... urls on the browser and then allowing to open with app (or constructing the activity, but that's even harder for regular users) either way, that's for 0.00000000001% of users. as i said, they have dark patterns which work.

samatman 2y ago

Must be a pretty deep conspiracy then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41613132 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41613132 Created in 2011, that's quite a long con...

jsnell 2y ago
The HN account being compromised seems like the obvious explanation.
- samatman 2y ago
  No, this is not at all the obvious explanation. It could, conceivably, be the correct explanation, but it isn't the obvious one. Someone else mentioned two xx in the Medium name, there are two xx in the email in this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40335319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40335319 So the existence of another Medium account with one x is a fairly weak argument for the case so many people are making here. I'm not sure on what basis you all are coming to the conclusion you're coming to. Edit: this is fairly persuasive, however: https://x.com/Vjeux/status/1837639825203384412 https://x.com/Vjeux/status/1837639825203384412 That had not been posted when I wrote this, just a brand new green-name account talking about an unused Medium account with one of two variations on the name which Vjeux uses online. It does seem more likely at this point that his HN account, and not his Twitter account, is the compromised one.
  - jsnell 2y ago
    No, it really was the obvious explanation already at the time of that message. You'd already been shown that this post was not present on the author's blog, nor linked to on their active Twitter account. Both of these things were noted in the GP. Whose account is not green, and whom you were implying was making up a conspiracy theory about this post being fake. As for the post itself, it was on an otherwise empty Medium blog (you didn't need to look into how many xs the name had, just note that this blog had no other posts at all). On the other hand, the only link to legitimacy the post had was that it was posted by an old HN account. But it's also not a very active account. It's easy to see why and how somebody who had hijacked the HN account would use to to give legitimace to the fake. Your alternate theory that the Twitter account was actually compromised is preposterous. There's no motive for it, and it's hard to see how the timing would work out (the attacker using the HN account for misinformation gets to choose the timing of the misinformation; an attacker hacking a Twitter account to suppress the post doesn't).
  - talldayo 2y ago
    Occam's razor wins again
    - samatman 2y ago
      Precisely. I appreciate that you understand my perspective here.

1oooqooq 2y ago

regardless of theatrics or not, meta products does have lots of dark patterns to fetch the same data apple and google and amazon and samsung have access by shipping OS level ad networks on their devices. You simply cannot use whatsapp and other meta products without willing or unwillingly, give them full access to upload your contact list to their servers and fetch list of also-running apps.

fragmede 2y ago
Whatsapp doesn't have access to my contact data (which is a pita) because I didn't give that to them, unless you're claiming that there's a bug in the permissions model that Facebook is exploiting to upload it anyway. Which I'm sure the but bounty program at Apple would be delighted to pay you for, if you have any actual evidence of this happening.
- 1oooqooq 2y ago
  congrats! now you have a broken app! go ahead, try to add any new contact. you will get a allow to read contact loop. denying contact access haven't worked since 2018 on android you can work around by adding all contacts via wa.me/+1... urls on the browser and then allowing to open with app (or constructing the activity, but that's even harder for regular users) either way, that's for 0.00000000001% of users. as i said, they have dark patterns which work.