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It's pretty simple; he doesn't really have a chance against strong, authoritarianism governments which doesn't accept any sort of challenges so he typically com

It's pretty simple; he doesn't really have a chance against strong, authoritarianism governments which doesn't accept any sort of challenges so he typically complies to them without any questions. In Brazil, He initially seem to think that there's a good chance to win if he escalates it to a political fight but now he's slowly realizing that there's no solid political ground for him (especially as a foreigner) when he crossed the line against the Supreme Court, the highest constitutional authority.

hexage1814 2y ago
>he doesn't really have a chance against strong, authoritarianism governments I think Musk just realized Brazil was one those governments. Honestly, to any foreigner wanting to learn what is going in the country, take a look at Glenn Greenwald coverage on Twitter, Gleen lives in Brazil and is one of the few journalists talking about what is happening in the country. The amount of crimes the Supreme Court is committing every single day is unbelievable. There is no due process.
- luizfzs 2y ago
  The only democratic way for a foreign agent to meddle in another country's politics is by being elected. Everything else is just bullshit. What you are saying is that anyone can buy a media platform, whatever platform it is, and play 'arbiter' of truth? Because that's he is doing. He has no right to defy a judge's ruling. He's not a Brazilian citizen. He has no legal representation there. His company has no legal representation there. His only standing is his ego, which is pretty fragile, given how much of a cry-baby he is.
  - hexage1814 2y ago
    Many people suffer from some sort of Musk derangement syndrome and put way too much focused on him to avoid discussing the facts of this case. Because they know the facts aren't on their side. They make this to avoid discussing that the actions of the Brazilian Supreme Court were actually illegal. It's not him "playing arbiter of truth", you will find countless brazilian legal experts, such as Sebastião Coelho da Silva, saying that what the court has been doing in the last 4 or 5 years is totally illegal. For instance, they have no power to open an investigation where they are the victim, the investigator, and judge, all in the same time and figure to go after random people around the country. Brazilian constitution doesn't allow prior censorship (which is what happens when you block someone's profile on social media, you block the things they would say in the future). The 8/1 rioters shouldn't been tried by the highest court because they have no legislative immunity, etc, etc. Crimes and more crimes. Regardless of anything, refusing to obey those censorship orders coming from Brazilian Supreme Court were the morally right thing to do.
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  - matheusmoreira 2y ago
    This is not a democracy. Who voted for these judges? Not a single person. Why do they get to ignore the laws put in place by our actual representatives? Our constitution is ABSOLUTELY clear on this matter. > Any and all censorship of a political, ideological and artistic nature is forbidden 1. The accounts that this judge is after were engaging in political speech. 2. A government official ordering these political accounts blocked and their political posts deleted matches the "any and all censorship of political nature" clause. 3. The order is therefore unconstitutional. As you can see, it's a very simple argument. There should have never have been an order for Musk to defy to begin with. Why do they keep getting away with it? How do you explain this? Our representatives move to impeach this guy as demanded by the citizens they represent, then they back out at the last second. Their lawyers advised them to back out due to the risk of retaliation by the supreme court. How can you call this a democracy, when our elected representatives are clearly cowering in fear of an unelected judiciary?
    - luizfzs 2y ago
      Does that mean the US is also not a democracy because the supreme court judges are also appointed by the president, just like in Brazil? > Our representatives move to impeach this guy as demanded by the citizens they represent, then they back out at the last second. Their lawyers advised them to back out due to the risk of retaliation by the supreme court. How can you call this a democracy, when our elected representatives are clearly cowering in fear of an unelected judiciary? If that is true, he should definitely be removed. I definitely concede that he is overreaching in some decisions. I don't always agree with them. However, if a political actor says they are going to invade Planalto to overturn the government, that is an attack to democracy, and protecting the constitution is exactly the attribution of the supreme court. Freedom of speech in Brazil, as far as I know, ends when you attack democracy. Democracy is the most valued thing in the constitution. However, the noisy far right-wing in Brazil is very dramatic and will create arguments that are not falsifiable just to pretend they have an argument. Source: I'm Brazilian.
      - HDThoreaun 2y ago
        There is potential for that, yes. Fortunately the supreme court has not yet decided to ignore the other branches of government like the brazilian one has.

hexage1814 2y ago

>he doesn't really have a chance against strong, authoritarianism governments I think Musk just realized Brazil was one those governments. Honestly, to any foreigner wanting to learn what is going in the country, take a look at Glenn Greenwald coverage on Twitter, Gleen lives in Brazil and is one of the few journalists talking about what is happening in the country. The amount of crimes the Supreme Court is committing every single day is unbelievable. There is no due process.

luizfzs 2y ago
The only democratic way for a foreign agent to meddle in another country's politics is by being elected. Everything else is just bullshit. What you are saying is that anyone can buy a media platform, whatever platform it is, and play 'arbiter' of truth? Because that's he is doing. He has no right to defy a judge's ruling. He's not a Brazilian citizen. He has no legal representation there. His company has no legal representation there. His only standing is his ego, which is pretty fragile, given how much of a cry-baby he is.
- hexage1814 2y ago
  Many people suffer from some sort of Musk derangement syndrome and put way too much focused on him to avoid discussing the facts of this case. Because they know the facts aren't on their side. They make this to avoid discussing that the actions of the Brazilian Supreme Court were actually illegal. It's not him "playing arbiter of truth", you will find countless brazilian legal experts, such as Sebastião Coelho da Silva, saying that what the court has been doing in the last 4 or 5 years is totally illegal. For instance, they have no power to open an investigation where they are the victim, the investigator, and judge, all in the same time and figure to go after random people around the country. Brazilian constitution doesn't allow prior censorship (which is what happens when you block someone's profile on social media, you block the things they would say in the future). The 8/1 rioters shouldn't been tried by the highest court because they have no legislative immunity, etc, etc. Crimes and more crimes. Regardless of anything, refusing to obey those censorship orders coming from Brazilian Supreme Court were the morally right thing to do.
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- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  This is not a democracy. Who voted for these judges? Not a single person. Why do they get to ignore the laws put in place by our actual representatives? Our constitution is ABSOLUTELY clear on this matter. > Any and all censorship of a political, ideological and artistic nature is forbidden 1. The accounts that this judge is after were engaging in political speech. 2. A government official ordering these political accounts blocked and their political posts deleted matches the "any and all censorship of political nature" clause. 3. The order is therefore unconstitutional. As you can see, it's a very simple argument. There should have never have been an order for Musk to defy to begin with. Why do they keep getting away with it? How do you explain this? Our representatives move to impeach this guy as demanded by the citizens they represent, then they back out at the last second. Their lawyers advised them to back out due to the risk of retaliation by the supreme court. How can you call this a democracy, when our elected representatives are clearly cowering in fear of an unelected judiciary?
  - luizfzs 2y ago
    Does that mean the US is also not a democracy because the supreme court judges are also appointed by the president, just like in Brazil? > Our representatives move to impeach this guy as demanded by the citizens they represent, then they back out at the last second. Their lawyers advised them to back out due to the risk of retaliation by the supreme court. How can you call this a democracy, when our elected representatives are clearly cowering in fear of an unelected judiciary? If that is true, he should definitely be removed. I definitely concede that he is overreaching in some decisions. I don't always agree with them. However, if a political actor says they are going to invade Planalto to overturn the government, that is an attack to democracy, and protecting the constitution is exactly the attribution of the supreme court. Freedom of speech in Brazil, as far as I know, ends when you attack democracy. Democracy is the most valued thing in the constitution. However, the noisy far right-wing in Brazil is very dramatic and will create arguments that are not falsifiable just to pretend they have an argument. Source: I'm Brazilian.
    - HDThoreaun 2y ago
      There is potential for that, yes. Fortunately the supreme court has not yet decided to ignore the other branches of government like the brazilian one has.