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> De Moraes argued (correctly, IMO) that Musk's non-compliance was a "clear and present danger" to Brazilian democracy. Democracy is when the government censor

by bakugo 2y ago

> De Moraes argued (correctly, IMO) that Musk's non-compliance was a "clear and present danger" to Brazilian democracy. Democracy is when the government censors free speech, got it.

exe34 2y ago
as opposed to elon banning cisgender?
- gordian-mind 2y ago
  It's just a word
  - exe34 2y ago
    you'd think as a free speech absolutist, he'd value the freedom behind each and every word. today it's just one word, tomorrow who knows?
- bakugo 2y ago
  Elon Musk is not the government.
- faggotbreath 2y ago
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l33t7332273 2y ago
Do you think there is any speech that can be dangerous to democracy? Do you think such speech should be allowed to exist?
- Acrobatic_Road 2y ago
  Absolutely. We need more such speech.
  - l33t7332273 2y ago
    Can you elaborate who “we” is and why you think more such speech js good?
- jakebasile 2y ago
  > Do you think there is any speech that can be dangerous to democracy? No. > Do you think such speech should be allowed to exist? I don't trust anyone who claims to be an arbiter of what people can and cannot say.
  - yoavm 2y ago
    I'm sorry for assuming this, but I think this could only come from someone that never felt like they're part of a threatened group. If people are marching the streets shouting "kill all the ${x}!", I very much feel like that's dangerous to democracy.
    - ripjaygn 2y ago
      Does it apply when x = 'cops' ? https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/eric-garner-manhattan-dead-cops-video-millions-march-protest/2015303/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/eric-garner-manhattan-... https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/black-lives-matter-chant-called-disgusting-by-police-leader/ https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/black-lives-matter-ch...
      - yoavm 2y ago
        Yes, why not? I could imagine calls like these leading to hurting police personals. These personals are not only people (and therefore part of society, that democracy should protect), but they're also part of the law enforcement system, which is kinda crucial for, well, any society. Do we disagree?
    - tbrownaw 2y ago
      Are you familiar with the story of why the ACLU used to be so very respected? Or why they lost that status over things that would have been perfectly expected for other groups to do?
      - yoavm 2y ago
        I'm not from the US, so I might be missing your point, but if you're referring to neutrality around free speech then I guess the answer is yes? I'm not sure where you're heading though. I do think this is a very complicated issue, and drawing the line is hard and often contextual. But at the same time I feel quite certain that a line must be drawn.
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by bakugo 2y ago

> De Moraes argued (correctly, IMO) that Musk's non-compliance was a "clear and present danger" to Brazilian democracy. Democracy is when the government censors free speech, got it.

exe34 2y ago

as opposed to elon banning cisgender?

gordian-mind 2y ago
It's just a word
- exe34 2y ago
  you'd think as a free speech absolutist, he'd value the freedom behind each and every word. today it's just one word, tomorrow who knows?
bakugo 2y ago
Elon Musk is not the government.
faggotbreath 2y ago
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l33t7332273 2y ago

Do you think there is any speech that can be dangerous to democracy? Do you think such speech should be allowed to exist?

Acrobatic_Road 2y ago
Absolutely. We need more such speech.
- l33t7332273 2y ago
  Can you elaborate who “we” is and why you think more such speech js good?
jakebasile 2y ago
> Do you think there is any speech that can be dangerous to democracy? No. > Do you think such speech should be allowed to exist? I don't trust anyone who claims to be an arbiter of what people can and cannot say.
- yoavm 2y ago
  I'm sorry for assuming this, but I think this could only come from someone that never felt like they're part of a threatened group. If people are marching the streets shouting "kill all the ${x}!", I very much feel like that's dangerous to democracy.
  - ripjaygn 2y ago
    Does it apply when x = 'cops' ? https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/eric-garner-manhattan-dead-cops-video-millions-march-protest/2015303/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/eric-garner-manhattan-... https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/black-lives-matter-chant-called-disgusting-by-police-leader/ https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/black-lives-matter-ch...
    - yoavm 2y ago
      Yes, why not? I could imagine calls like these leading to hurting police personals. These personals are not only people (and therefore part of society, that democracy should protect), but they're also part of the law enforcement system, which is kinda crucial for, well, any society. Do we disagree?
  - tbrownaw 2y ago
    Are you familiar with the story of why the ACLU used to be so very respected? Or why they lost that status over things that would have been perfectly expected for other groups to do?
    - yoavm 2y ago
      I'm not from the US, so I might be missing your point, but if you're referring to neutrality around free speech then I guess the answer is yes? I'm not sure where you're heading though. I do think this is a very complicated issue, and drawing the line is hard and often contextual. But at the same time I feel quite certain that a line must be drawn.
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