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lol, I know they’re just doing their job, but “in a surprising move” is funny commentary for this. Elon never had a plan at all other than vaguely rile people u

by bbor 2y ago

lol, I know they’re just doing their job, but “in a surprising move” is funny commentary for this. Elon never had a plan at all other than vaguely rile people up — Brazil is a huge market, and despite his “go fuck yourselves” rhetoric, he’s still legally beholden to investors to try to make some of their money back. The only way he wouldn’t “capitulate” would be if Twitter folded before he could. This of course doesn’t help his election-time rhetoric, but eh I don’t think facts matter that much for that, anyway. He still gets to shout about being silenced by evil socialist Brazil, even if he’s capitulated. Hopefully Bluesky/the fediverse doesn’t lose the momentum they’ve gained there! I’m only familiar with Spanish-speaking South America, but I’m guessing Brazil still has a considerable anti-“imperialist west” (cough cough America) sentiment in the bedrock of its culture; intentionally and condescendingly flaunting their laws is not a good look, at all.

chx 2y ago
> he’s still legally beholden to investors Unless you have seen the contracts signed you can't know that. Xitter is no longer a public company and as a private company has absolutely no such requirement. While Burwell v. Hobby Lobby might be controversial it is still remarkable coming from such a high court to include this: > While it is certainly true that a central objective of for-profit corporations is to make money, modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else, and many do not do so.
- exe34 2y ago
  > Unless you have seen the contracts signed you can't know that that's right, this is in fact a clever 4d chess move by Elon, who totally doesn't behave like a crack-addled loser, and he clearly won this round!
  - pessimizer 2y ago
    You sound like the worst of twitter, here.
    - klyrs 2y ago
      Elon Musk doesn't talk like that.
      - exe34 2y ago
        he wouldn't want people deadnaming shitter, he reserves that honour for his own kid.
- skybrian 2y ago
  I think that quote is common sense, or should be. It’s only news for people who subscribe to certain myths widely circulated on social media about what for-profit companies are legally required to do.
- vuln 2y ago
  > Unless you have seen the contracts signed you can't know that. Xitter is no longer a public company and as a private company has absolutely no such requirement. Have you seen the contracts? How do you know there is _absolutely no such requirement_? Perhaps it’s not standard but private investment is private.
  - detourdog 2y ago
    Some of his business partners chop up journalists which is another form of business incentive.
  - chx 2y ago
    What I meant is that in general private companies have no requirements of making profit and I even have shown the SCOTUS stating so.
alephnerd 2y ago
> anti-“imperialist west” (cough cough America) sentiment There's a difference between fringe rhetoric and actions. The only countries more pro-American than Brazil in polls are America and India [0], and ironically, the Anti-American rate is higher in America than in Brazil (where there's a large neutral/indifferent cohort in polls). In general, pro-American sentiment is somewhere between 63-73% in Brazil [0][1] Most political "anti-American" rhetoric in Brazil is due to agrarian protectionism - the same as India - as regional BigAg are major political player in both countries. Most Brazilians in the diaspora who can immigrate will immigrate to the US. American companies and Brazilian companies have very close relations with each other (ever had a Budwesier, Blue Moon, Burger King, or Popeye's? They're majority owned by Brazilian PE funds). Finally, most of the underlying support for Lula comes from his "Bolsa Familia" program in the 2000s. This lie of Brazilian or Indian anti-Americanism only went into overdrive on Reddit and then HN because of their indifference to the Russia-Ukraine war, as they have investments in both sides. [0] - https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/united-states-favorability-global-countries-afghanistan https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/united-states-favora... [1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/11/06/comparing-views-of-the-us-and-china-in-24-countries/#favorable-views-of-the-us-and-china https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/11/06/comparing-view...
mc32 2y ago
Anti imperialist but if they had any chance they’d migrate to the great satan… oh people, such hypocrites.
- detourdog 2y ago
  Made it would be to vote and form a more perfect union.
  - mc32 2y ago
    Yup, they’d make it in the image of the countries they come from because it’s they what they know and like. It’s hard to teach a dog new tricks. People don’t change in the face of a new environment. This is illustrated by the fact emigrants tend to preserve their home culture with less change than the home country itself.
    - detourdog 2y ago
      I guess we disagree because my grandfather is from somewhere else and I was raised wrong.
greiskul 2y ago
> anti-“imperialist west” America helped install the Brazilian military dictatorship, helped to train them in the use of torture against it's civilian population. You either are ignorant in not knowing the role the US has played around the world, in which case you need to be educated, or you support it, in which case you need to be fought.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  63-73% of Brazilians are pro-American [0][1] based on recent polls. This myth of the "Anti-American Global South" that seems to have originated on Reddit as well as selective interpretation of political rhetoric needs to end. [0] - https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/united-states-favorability-global-countries-afghanistan https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/united-states-favora... [1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/11/06/comparing-views-of-the-us-and-china-in-24-countries/#favorable-views-of-the-us-and-china https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/11/06/comparing-view...
  - bbor 2y ago
    I think it's far more engrained and fundamental than can be captured in a simple poll. I can at least vouch first hand that it's a common sentiment in Spanish literature from the area and at least some people on the ground. I mean, they're still mad about Victor Jara, for good reason...
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      Brazil ain't Chile, let alone a more anti-American South American countries like Bolivia. And in general, most polls over the last several years using various different methodologies have shown how Brazil tends to have a stronger pro-American sentiment unlike the rest of South America. Spanish language literature and media might have had a stronger impact on building those views in the Hispanoblante world compared to Brazil's relative isolation.
- bbor 2y ago
  lol. It's the former. Specifically, I was hedging my words, because I was too lazy to Kagi "Brazil wiki" and wasn't entirely sure that they suffered at the hands of the US. To be fair to little ol' me, I doubt the word "Brazil" was said once during the one World History class I took ever, 9-10 years ago. I guess I should just memorize the list of south american countries that we didn't get around to couping, if there are any...
pessimizer 2y ago
> He still gets to shout about being silenced by evil socialist Brazil, even if he’s capitulated. Socialist? This victim narrative is bizarre. There is almost no one outside of Brazil who supports what Moraes is doing, most people inside Brazil are against it (even on the face of it, Lula only won by a hair and half of the population are Bolsonaristas, and a significant number of the rest have free speech as a principle), and more than twice as many Senators in Brazil are for impeachment than are against*. Pretending that this is some crusade by the evil right wing of the world directed by their leader Elon Musk against the socialism is bizarre, bad faith, and encouraged by anyone who supports the ban. > He still gets to shout about being silenced by evil socialist Brazil, even if he’s capitulated. Brazil didn't silence Musk, who can speak and be heard wherever he wants, whenever he wants. Brazil silenced Brazilians, and cut them off from the world. Musk is just some dickhead whose business has been going extremely well over the past decade or two, and is not the world representative of free speech. He's a pretense whose use by antidemocratic forces almost managed the achievement of banning all VPN usage in Brazil. I wonder who is going to get the contract to build the Great Brazilian Firewall, seeing as the twitter ban was spotty and VPNs were still a way around it? Will it be a US company? [*] https://veja.abril.com.br/coluna/marcela-rahal/qual-placar-sobre-o-impeachment-de-moraes-no-senado-segundo-site/ https://veja.abril.com.br/coluna/marcela-rahal/qual-placar-s...

by bbor 2y ago

chx 2y ago

> he’s still legally beholden to investors Unless you have seen the contracts signed you can't know that. Xitter is no longer a public company and as a private company has absolutely no such requirement. While Burwell v. Hobby Lobby might be controversial it is still remarkable coming from such a high court to include this: > While it is certainly true that a central objective of for-profit corporations is to make money, modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else, and many do not do so.

exe34 2y ago
> Unless you have seen the contracts signed you can't know that that's right, this is in fact a clever 4d chess move by Elon, who totally doesn't behave like a crack-addled loser, and he clearly won this round!
- pessimizer 2y ago
  You sound like the worst of twitter, here.
  - klyrs 2y ago
    Elon Musk doesn't talk like that.
    - exe34 2y ago
      he wouldn't want people deadnaming shitter, he reserves that honour for his own kid.
skybrian 2y ago
I think that quote is common sense, or should be. It’s only news for people who subscribe to certain myths widely circulated on social media about what for-profit companies are legally required to do.
vuln 2y ago
> Unless you have seen the contracts signed you can't know that. Xitter is no longer a public company and as a private company has absolutely no such requirement. Have you seen the contracts? How do you know there is _absolutely no such requirement_? Perhaps it’s not standard but private investment is private.
- detourdog 2y ago
  Some of his business partners chop up journalists which is another form of business incentive.
- chx 2y ago
  What I meant is that in general private companies have no requirements of making profit and I even have shown the SCOTUS stating so.

alephnerd 2y ago

> anti-“imperialist west” (cough cough America) sentiment There's a difference between fringe rhetoric and actions. The only countries more pro-American than Brazil in polls are America and India [0], and ironically, the Anti-American rate is higher in America than in Brazil (where there's a large neutral/indifferent cohort in polls). In general, pro-American sentiment is somewhere between 63-73% in Brazil [0][1] Most political "anti-American" rhetoric in Brazil is due to agrarian protectionism - the same as India - as regional BigAg are major political player in both countries. Most Brazilians in the diaspora who can immigrate will immigrate to the US. American companies and Brazilian companies have very close relations with each other (ever had a Budwesier, Blue Moon, Burger King, or Popeye's? They're majority owned by Brazilian PE funds). Finally, most of the underlying support for Lula comes from his "Bolsa Familia" program in the 2000s. This lie of Brazilian or Indian anti-Americanism only went into overdrive on Reddit and then HN because of their indifference to the Russia-Ukraine war, as they have investments in both sides. [0] - https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/united-states-favorability-global-countries-afghanistan https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/united-states-favora... [1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/11/06/comparing-views-of-the-us-and-china-in-24-countries/#favorable-views-of-the-us-and-china https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/11/06/comparing-view...

mc32 2y ago

Anti imperialist but if they had any chance they’d migrate to the great satan… oh people, such hypocrites.

detourdog 2y ago
Made it would be to vote and form a more perfect union.
- mc32 2y ago
  Yup, they’d make it in the image of the countries they come from because it’s they what they know and like. It’s hard to teach a dog new tricks. People don’t change in the face of a new environment. This is illustrated by the fact emigrants tend to preserve their home culture with less change than the home country itself.
  - detourdog 2y ago
    I guess we disagree because my grandfather is from somewhere else and I was raised wrong.

greiskul 2y ago

> anti-“imperialist west” America helped install the Brazilian military dictatorship, helped to train them in the use of torture against it's civilian population. You either are ignorant in not knowing the role the US has played around the world, in which case you need to be educated, or you support it, in which case you need to be fought.

alephnerd 2y ago
63-73% of Brazilians are pro-American [0][1] based on recent polls. This myth of the "Anti-American Global South" that seems to have originated on Reddit as well as selective interpretation of political rhetoric needs to end. [0] - https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/united-states-favorability-global-countries-afghanistan https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/united-states-favora... [1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/11/06/comparing-views-of-the-us-and-china-in-24-countries/#favorable-views-of-the-us-and-china https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/11/06/comparing-view...
- bbor 2y ago
  I think it's far more engrained and fundamental than can be captured in a simple poll. I can at least vouch first hand that it's a common sentiment in Spanish literature from the area and at least some people on the ground. I mean, they're still mad about Victor Jara, for good reason...
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    Brazil ain't Chile, let alone a more anti-American South American countries like Bolivia. And in general, most polls over the last several years using various different methodologies have shown how Brazil tends to have a stronger pro-American sentiment unlike the rest of South America. Spanish language literature and media might have had a stronger impact on building those views in the Hispanoblante world compared to Brazil's relative isolation.
bbor 2y ago
lol. It's the former. Specifically, I was hedging my words, because I was too lazy to Kagi "Brazil wiki" and wasn't entirely sure that they suffered at the hands of the US. To be fair to little ol' me, I doubt the word "Brazil" was said once during the one World History class I took ever, 9-10 years ago. I guess I should just memorize the list of south american countries that we didn't get around to couping, if there are any...

pessimizer 2y ago

> He still gets to shout about being silenced by evil socialist Brazil, even if he’s capitulated. Socialist? This victim narrative is bizarre. There is almost no one outside of Brazil who supports what Moraes is doing, most people inside Brazil are against it (even on the face of it, Lula only won by a hair and half of the population are Bolsonaristas, and a significant number of the rest have free speech as a principle), and more than twice as many Senators in Brazil are for impeachment than are against*. Pretending that this is some crusade by the evil right wing of the world directed by their leader Elon Musk against the socialism is bizarre, bad faith, and encouraged by anyone who supports the ban. > He still gets to shout about being silenced by evil socialist Brazil, even if he’s capitulated. Brazil didn't silence Musk, who can speak and be heard wherever he wants, whenever he wants. Brazil silenced Brazilians, and cut them off from the world. Musk is just some dickhead whose business has been going extremely well over the past decade or two, and is not the world representative of free speech. He's a pretense whose use by antidemocratic forces almost managed the achievement of banning all VPN usage in Brazil. I wonder who is going to get the contract to build the Great Brazilian Firewall, seeing as the twitter ban was spotty and VPNs were still a way around it? Will it be a US company? [*] https://veja.abril.com.br/coluna/marcela-rahal/qual-placar-sobre-o-impeachment-de-moraes-no-senado-segundo-site/ https://veja.abril.com.br/coluna/marcela-rahal/qual-placar-s...