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My understanding isn't out of date whatsoever. Your understanding is wishcasting. You citing the appearance of the Model S Plaid at "youtube drag races" reflec

My understanding isn't out of date whatsoever. Your understanding is wishcasting. You citing the appearance of the Model S Plaid at "youtube drag races" reflects more of your lack of understanding than my own. The double clutch vs manual debate isn't relevant to the one under discussion. Its an interface argument that is more niched than ICE vs electric, is specialized to each particular car, and each particular use and driving preference.

jasonwatkinspdx 2y ago
> You citing the appearance of the Model S Plaid at "youtube drag races" reflects more of your lack of understanding than my own. No it's just a simple example of how attitudes are changing. You'd expect the drag/Hoonigan crowd to be ICE diehards, but instead they've embraced electrics as interesting and worthy competition. You asserted that the sportscar world would "detest" any change away from ICE, when clearly that's not what we're seeing. Porsche and others are embracing all electric platforms. Even hypercar manufacturers like Koenigsegg are embracing hybrids as a transitional technology. Then look at the cutting edge stuff like the Perry Sterling and it's obvious electric race cars have a bright future indeed. Look at the electric cars and bikes running exhibition at Pikes or Isle of Man. People in the racing world are excited about these developments. > The double clutch vs manual debate isn't relevant to the one under discussion. You're the one that mentioned manual gearboxes in your comment.
- ultimafan 2y ago
  I don't think this is really true outside of YouTubers/influencers who may or may not be sponsored and this is coming from someone who both used to and still occasionally does go to car meetups in one of the most liberal parts of the US where there's a deluge of Tesla's and other electric cars on the streets. For the common hobbyist/enthusiast electric vehicles are still mostly looked down on regardless of make/model. I don't know how many times I've heard some variation of "it's really a shame that company X made the spiritual successor for model Y as a hybrid/electric/automatic" and old ICE cars that cost a fraction of the price of even an electric supercar get more crowd attention at meets. I think it's a combination of a few of things. For one, "raw" driving feel is still pretty much unmatched though this has much to do with older cars not having as many creature comforts / driving assists as newer cars do and not entirely an ICE vs electric issue outside of losing the manual gearbox and engine sound. Tuning/modding is also pretty much incomparable between the two- you will never get as much customization / feeling of a unique build on an electric car because there's simply far less you can actually tune and/or modify. And finally, cost, most hobbyists can't justify buying a performance oriented electric car at today's prices when an old ICE sports car as a wrenching project is far far cheaper and feel more fun to drive on twisty roads due to the driving feedback.

jasonwatkinspdx 2y ago

> You citing the appearance of the Model S Plaid at "youtube drag races" reflects more of your lack of understanding than my own. No it's just a simple example of how attitudes are changing. You'd expect the drag/Hoonigan crowd to be ICE diehards, but instead they've embraced electrics as interesting and worthy competition. You asserted that the sportscar world would "detest" any change away from ICE, when clearly that's not what we're seeing. Porsche and others are embracing all electric platforms. Even hypercar manufacturers like Koenigsegg are embracing hybrids as a transitional technology. Then look at the cutting edge stuff like the Perry Sterling and it's obvious electric race cars have a bright future indeed. Look at the electric cars and bikes running exhibition at Pikes or Isle of Man. People in the racing world are excited about these developments. > The double clutch vs manual debate isn't relevant to the one under discussion. You're the one that mentioned manual gearboxes in your comment.

ultimafan 2y ago
I don't think this is really true outside of YouTubers/influencers who may or may not be sponsored and this is coming from someone who both used to and still occasionally does go to car meetups in one of the most liberal parts of the US where there's a deluge of Tesla's and other electric cars on the streets. For the common hobbyist/enthusiast electric vehicles are still mostly looked down on regardless of make/model. I don't know how many times I've heard some variation of "it's really a shame that company X made the spiritual successor for model Y as a hybrid/electric/automatic" and old ICE cars that cost a fraction of the price of even an electric supercar get more crowd attention at meets. I think it's a combination of a few of things. For one, "raw" driving feel is still pretty much unmatched though this has much to do with older cars not having as many creature comforts / driving assists as newer cars do and not entirely an ICE vs electric issue outside of losing the manual gearbox and engine sound. Tuning/modding is also pretty much incomparable between the two- you will never get as much customization / feeling of a unique build on an electric car because there's simply far less you can actually tune and/or modify. And finally, cost, most hobbyists can't justify buying a performance oriented electric car at today's prices when an old ICE sports car as a wrenching project is far far cheaper and feel more fun to drive on twisty roads due to the driving feedback.