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> it’s common for engineers to mention in the interview process that they’re looking for something at least partly in person. How can you tell this is not beca

> it’s common for engineers to mention in the interview process that they’re looking for something at least partly in person. How can you tell this is not because they're aware of present market or even your specific company's preference / conditions and are simply trying to increase their appealing to you and increase their chance of getting an offer? It's common interviewing advice and CV writing to market yourself according to the job you're aiming for - that includes "company culture", "company values" and whatever other crap helps bias the interviewers in your favour. > it’s nice to be around humans Yep. That's what family and friends are for. Work is mainly to make money. Until the time comes when work stops being a requirement for survival, that will always be its primary function. Making friends can be a nice side-effect sometimes, but is not a requirement.

tyre 2y ago
> How can you tell this is not because they're aware of present market or even your specific company's preference / conditions and are simply trying to increase their appealing to you and increase their chance of getting an offer? Hybrid is a requirement so it’s more about expectation setting, and most people who say that bring it up themselves when asked what they’re looking for. Maybe they’re all lying, but it’s a pretty low priority thing to lie about and after interviewing hundreds of people, you do get pretty good at parsing out how genuine someone is. Not perfect! But pretty good. > Yep. That's what family and friends are for. Work is mainly to make money. Until the time comes when work stops being a requirement for survival, that will always be its primary function. Agree to disagree. If I’m going to spend a third of my life doing a thing, I’m damn sure going to screen for people I respect and want to spend time with. Work means a lot more than the money to me; impact and people are higher up there.
- cassianoleal 2y ago
  Thanks for your reply. > Hybrid is a requirement If they know it's a requirement to work for you, and they're interviewing with you, they either want it or don't want it but have accepted it as a requirement. The former case is the one you say is the majority of your interviewees. I'm not saying you're wrong, but consider the latter case. A person is looking for a job because they require money to make a living. They know your requirements. They will want to be as appealing to you as they can live with. Since they've already accepted the constraint of hybrid working, they may as well tell you that's exactly what they want. > most people who say that bring it up themselves when asked what they’re looking for And that's exactly what I mean by the above. > Maybe they’re all lying, but it’s a pretty low priority thing to lie about Which makes it a very easy lie as well. It's harder to lie about the things that have more weight as they tend to be harder to live with. > after interviewing hundreds of people, you do get pretty good at parsing out how genuine someone is. Not perfect! But pretty good. This is exactly what bias does to you. You start believing you're good at detecting things. Maybe you actually are, I don't know. I couldn't know. Even if I thought you were that good, it may just be my own biases telling me that. > If I’m going to spend a third of my life doing a thing, I’m damn sure going to screen for people I respect I agree. It's very difficult to try to build something with people for whom you have no respect. > and want to spend time with. Also fair. There's no need for friendship still. In any case, this is a strawman. I was responding to: > > it’s nice to be around humans I think it's nice to be around humans for whom I have more than just respect. That's where friends and family come into play. At work, even though there will always be a preference to be around people who are nice, it's not a hard requirement. > Work means a lot more than the money to me; impact and people are higher up there. This is easy to say from a position of privilege. People interviewing for a job are much of the time at risk of ceasing to exist in society if they don't get hired. That puts them in a position where they will make as much as they can live with in order to get the job. It's great that you and I can be selective about the jobs and people we work with, but in reality even in tech most people are in the workforce for survival and subsistence first and foremost. Hell, even though I am at this moment in a relatively comfortable position, in very little time I could go from privileged to desperate and you can bet I would lie (and likely be very good at it) in an interview if it would be the difference between keeping my house and feeding my offspring, and any other altenative.
Agingcoder 2y ago
I’m going to spend more time at work than at home - I’d rather do it with people I like. I had students years ago telling me ´ I want to work in field x because there’s good money , but based on my experience, I don’t like the people/culture’. They tried nonetheless, all gave up. You might be able to ignore the people you work with, but lots of people can’t . It if works for you, I guess it’s much easier though !

tyre 2y ago

> How can you tell this is not because they're aware of present market or even your specific company's preference / conditions and are simply trying to increase their appealing to you and increase their chance of getting an offer? Hybrid is a requirement so it’s more about expectation setting, and most people who say that bring it up themselves when asked what they’re looking for. Maybe they’re all lying, but it’s a pretty low priority thing to lie about and after interviewing hundreds of people, you do get pretty good at parsing out how genuine someone is. Not perfect! But pretty good. > Yep. That's what family and friends are for. Work is mainly to make money. Until the time comes when work stops being a requirement for survival, that will always be its primary function. Agree to disagree. If I’m going to spend a third of my life doing a thing, I’m damn sure going to screen for people I respect and want to spend time with. Work means a lot more than the money to me; impact and people are higher up there.

cassianoleal 2y ago
Thanks for your reply. > Hybrid is a requirement If they know it's a requirement to work for you, and they're interviewing with you, they either want it or don't want it but have accepted it as a requirement. The former case is the one you say is the majority of your interviewees. I'm not saying you're wrong, but consider the latter case. A person is looking for a job because they require money to make a living. They know your requirements. They will want to be as appealing to you as they can live with. Since they've already accepted the constraint of hybrid working, they may as well tell you that's exactly what they want. > most people who say that bring it up themselves when asked what they’re looking for And that's exactly what I mean by the above. > Maybe they’re all lying, but it’s a pretty low priority thing to lie about Which makes it a very easy lie as well. It's harder to lie about the things that have more weight as they tend to be harder to live with. > after interviewing hundreds of people, you do get pretty good at parsing out how genuine someone is. Not perfect! But pretty good. This is exactly what bias does to you. You start believing you're good at detecting things. Maybe you actually are, I don't know. I couldn't know. Even if I thought you were that good, it may just be my own biases telling me that. > If I’m going to spend a third of my life doing a thing, I’m damn sure going to screen for people I respect I agree. It's very difficult to try to build something with people for whom you have no respect. > and want to spend time with. Also fair. There's no need for friendship still. In any case, this is a strawman. I was responding to: > > it’s nice to be around humans I think it's nice to be around humans for whom I have more than just respect. That's where friends and family come into play. At work, even though there will always be a preference to be around people who are nice, it's not a hard requirement. > Work means a lot more than the money to me; impact and people are higher up there. This is easy to say from a position of privilege. People interviewing for a job are much of the time at risk of ceasing to exist in society if they don't get hired. That puts them in a position where they will make as much as they can live with in order to get the job. It's great that you and I can be selective about the jobs and people we work with, but in reality even in tech most people are in the workforce for survival and subsistence first and foremost. Hell, even though I am at this moment in a relatively comfortable position, in very little time I could go from privileged to desperate and you can bet I would lie (and likely be very good at it) in an interview if it would be the difference between keeping my house and feeding my offspring, and any other altenative.

Agingcoder 2y ago

I’m going to spend more time at work than at home - I’d rather do it with people I like. I had students years ago telling me ´ I want to work in field x because there’s good money , but based on my experience, I don’t like the people/culture’. They tried nonetheless, all gave up. You might be able to ignore the people you work with, but lots of people can’t . It if works for you, I guess it’s much easier though !