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So if you built your fortune on IT running in datacenters which consume magnitutes more energy to feed your customers; or else - if your business is about deliv

by larodi 2y ago

So if you built your fortune on IT running in datacenters which consume magnitutes more energy to feed your customers; or else - if your business is about delivering stuff with 1000s of vehicles regularly being wasted... Tell me, at what point you start giving a damn about environment, and what pollution are we talking about at all? Sorry, but HN is full of people who made fortunes not giving major fucks about lots of rules. Not being one of them, I still find it perfectly appropriate to see this article and appreciate it here precisely, and not on... CNN or DW. You may go ask "Founder mode" whether he can dever be blamed into "not giving a damn", considering his caring character towards all humanity. One thing I agree - nobody cares if a Porsche is putting a 0.00001 KG of CO2 out now and then, as its aesthetic value is much much higher.

azherebtsov 2y ago
It’s a ridiculous argument. You are typing this comment just because this damn not environmental friendly data center exists. But you pay nothing for HN. Hence someone’s do. That maybe this damn dude who made a fortune. But more than that, this dude has had to work hard long ago so that the data Center could be built and some nerds have got their jobs.
- wiseowise 2y ago
  I’m not sure what your point is. The comment you’re replying to never argued that this data center is unnecessary. Both prestigious cars and data centers are necessarily evil. Just for different audiences.
- larodi 2y ago
  Telling people why they do things is 1) bad wording; 2) puts them in defense mode; 3) projection; 4) etc.. you name it not OK. I pay nothing to HN, but HN exists thanks to lotta money moved around by people running HN. What are you telling me now, that HN would not emerge in some other form, had it not been for Founder Mode to showcase Algolia's search? Sorry, I doubt that it is how society evolves. HN can emerge from anybody persistent enough to go forward with it. Slashdot, Craigslist, Reddit and 4chan if you want are very apparent examples of how smart people fill in when they have the chance. HN may well disappear very soon, I would miss all the smart voices, but I won't miss HN itself and the fair amount of very obnoxious people who tell others 'how they should feel, or felt'.
squarefoot 2y ago
That's a flawed analogy. Datacenter draw X power to do X work, and people using them don't care about the brand or aesthetics. Give techies and companies less power hungry alternatives and look how quick they will migrate. That is quite different for cars, unless their perceived value has nothing to do with their #1 function, which brings us back to my post: most people buying luxury cars give more importance to appearance rather than any environmental issue. I completely understand, but cannot agree.

by larodi 2y ago

azherebtsov 2y ago

It’s a ridiculous argument. You are typing this comment just because this damn not environmental friendly data center exists. But you pay nothing for HN. Hence someone’s do. That maybe this damn dude who made a fortune. But more than that, this dude has had to work hard long ago so that the data Center could be built and some nerds have got their jobs.

wiseowise 2y ago
I’m not sure what your point is. The comment you’re replying to never argued that this data center is unnecessary. Both prestigious cars and data centers are necessarily evil. Just for different audiences.
larodi 2y ago
Telling people why they do things is 1) bad wording; 2) puts them in defense mode; 3) projection; 4) etc.. you name it not OK. I pay nothing to HN, but HN exists thanks to lotta money moved around by people running HN. What are you telling me now, that HN would not emerge in some other form, had it not been for Founder Mode to showcase Algolia's search? Sorry, I doubt that it is how society evolves. HN can emerge from anybody persistent enough to go forward with it. Slashdot, Craigslist, Reddit and 4chan if you want are very apparent examples of how smart people fill in when they have the chance. HN may well disappear very soon, I would miss all the smart voices, but I won't miss HN itself and the fair amount of very obnoxious people who tell others 'how they should feel, or felt'.

squarefoot 2y ago

That's a flawed analogy. Datacenter draw X power to do X work, and people using them don't care about the brand or aesthetics. Give techies and companies less power hungry alternatives and look how quick they will migrate. That is quite different for cars, unless their perceived value has nothing to do with their #1 function, which brings us back to my post: most people buying luxury cars give more importance to appearance rather than any environmental issue. I completely understand, but cannot agree.