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Regardless of whether or not you agree with him, Elon has really offered everyone a masterclass in alienating your own customer base.

ben_w 2y ago
Mm. I was rather hoping that this would at least attract the (stereotypically not interested in the environment) republicans, but apparently not.
- hinkley 2y ago
  No they want big trucks modded to blow extra smoke so they can own the libs. People on twitter told Elon he was nuts the very first time he started toying with conservative ideas. Just jam that whole hand in your mouth and bite the wrist that feeds you. Great idea bud. He’s a fucking idiot for having not listened. Which any of his dozen children also could have told you.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > Which any of his dozen children also could have told you. Perhaps; certainly he would benefit from an anti-sycophant to tell him "no" and that he will listen to.
- wilg 2y ago
  It's pretty amazing how much they really like Elon (enough to put him on a billboard with Trump) but they'll still shit talk EVs and solar power with abandon.
  - choko 2y ago
    It's really not. You don't have to like everything someone does to support them or accept their support. Purity tests are toxic, and it is a large problem on the left side of the aisle.
    - wilg 2y ago
      it's amazing/funny (not surprising) because it demonstrates that they are more interested in culture wars than science or technology, which i think is embarrassing for them
      - mike_hearn 2y ago
        Isn't it the opposite? If they had flipped their views of electric cars based on the politics of who made them that would demonstrate they were more interested in culture wars than science or technology, but they didn't: their views on the merits of EVs remained the same. The article on the other hand is about that exact inversion happening in (parts of) Hollywood, showing that they care more about Elon's tweets than the environment. This indicates they care more about culture wars than science and technology.
        wilg 2y ago
        no, it's not the opposite. they should have flipped their views to be in line with reality. they are celebrating the culture war while ignoring science. the people in the article likely care more about elon's tweets and the environment than they do about buying tesla cars. i suspect they will prefer other electric vehicles.
- croes 2y ago
  Because according to Trump EVs don't work.
- xedrac 2y ago
  Anecdotally, the number of Telsas that have popped up in my deep red state is astounding. My own brother bought a Tesla Y a few months ago, then my father bought one just this month. I go to the gym and can pretty reliably count 15+ Teslas in the parking lot. I see cybertrucks almost daily now, whereas a year ago, I had never seen one in person. I am also planning on buying a Tesla next year, after I get my solar system up and going. We republicans may not do these things because we're worried about global warming or climate change, but I can tell you we certainly care about air quality and cool technology, at least where I'm from.
  - wilg 2y ago
    Of course you'd never seen a Cybertruck a year ago because they were not yet available.
  - smodo 2y ago
    > We republicans may not do these things because we're worried about global warming or climate change (…) Hilarious every way I turn it. The consequences of global warming are ever more clear, but for the time being cooler cars prevail. I’m not trying to moralize here, just pointing out that the reasoning here is very funny. If I ever catch you recycling plastic I’ll be sure it’s only because it involves cool technology.
    - ryandvm 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - choko 2y ago
        People ditching Teslas because they don't like Elon is political though. If you want to nut-pick between the two sides, we are going to be here a long time.
      - xedrac 2y ago
        I can't speak for all republicans, because we are a diverse group. But if you care to understand why I am not bending backwards at every turn to try and fix global warming, it's very simple. I believe God created this world for His children, and that He will return to it in due time. That's it. I understand that may appear as though I don't care, but that's not true. I certainly don't go out of my way to pollute the earth. I always leave a campsite cleaner than when I found it, etc... this rhetoric that Republicans only care about number one couldn't be further from the truth though.
pupppet 2y ago
If there ever was a guy who could have become a real life Tony Stark, but instead he chose to be a 4chan edgelord. What a waste.
- croes 2y ago
  He didn't build much himself, so where could he be Tony Stark?
  - appendix-rock 2y ago
    Nobody can do it all.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Neither did Tony Stark, excluding that one episode stuck in a cave with a box of scraps.
    - effingwewt 2y ago
      Right, there weren't entire montages about him building them by himself. And that's just the movies, the comics went way deeper. Terrible take this time, I'm afraid.
    - croes 2y ago
      I the movies he is pretty much building himself. With high sophisticated tools but not build by other people. Elon is literally the It-needs-to-be-pointy guy.
      - tim333 2y ago
        Though the movie character was partly based on Elon: >According to Fergus, the character was inspired by an amalgam of real people — but none so much as Elon Musk. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/08/tony-stark-elon-musk-donald-trump-steve-jobs.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/08/tony-stark-elon-musk... I guess fiction is often cooler than reality.
dukeofdoom 2y ago
The Chinese make much longer range electric/hybrid vehicles now, with better interiors, and cheaper prices. Should Trump win, arguably Musk is helping him to win by providing a free speech platform, Trump is more likely to tariff Chinese competition.
- Freedom2 2y ago
  There's no proof of these cars even existing, while we all see Tesla's every day on the road.
  - peutetre 2y ago
    > There's no proof of these cars even existing Here's a Nio covering 891.4 km (554 miles) on a single charge with its 150 kWh battery pack: https://insideevs.com/news/732567/nio-chinese-ev-range-test/ https://insideevs.com/news/732567/nio-chinese-ev-range-test/ Here's a Nio doing a battery swap in 6 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWL1hZQmD0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWL1hZQmD0
  - 123yawaworht456 2y ago
    Chinese EVs are not concepts or prototypes. they're in mass production already. outside of China, yes, they're probably a rare sight. in Chinese cities however, from what I saw, a double digit percentage of cars are their EVs - which is a lot of cars in a country with 1.5 billion people. don't take my word for it, there are probably plenty of videos on youtube that show and discuss Chinese city roads.
    - aerzen 2y ago
      I can testify that Chinese EVs are starting to pop up in Europe. Not a lot, but if you do a lot of driving, you can spot one or two a day. Given their price and performance, I think we'll be seeing more of them in the future. The two downsides (that I was told of) are build quality (at the same level as tesla) and obsession with large screens (same as tesla).
    - Freedom2 2y ago
snapplebobapple 2y ago
I tend to agree, however I'm going to reserve opinion for 3-4 years because I think there's a risk to this opinion aging badly as aggressive cost cutting continues, and electric vehicle usage expands beyond fairly left leaning people to the general populace. The chance of a surprise bounce back and expansion of sales as prices go down to areas where competitors are deeply unprofitable but tesla can still be profitable combined with a significant minority (if not an actual majority) of the populace agreeing with many of the things he has said that tesla's current quite far left customers find so detestable may lead to a surprise here.

ben_w 2y ago

Mm. I was rather hoping that this would at least attract the (stereotypically not interested in the environment) republicans, but apparently not.

hinkley 2y ago
No they want big trucks modded to blow extra smoke so they can own the libs. People on twitter told Elon he was nuts the very first time he started toying with conservative ideas. Just jam that whole hand in your mouth and bite the wrist that feeds you. Great idea bud. He’s a fucking idiot for having not listened. Which any of his dozen children also could have told you.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > Which any of his dozen children also could have told you. Perhaps; certainly he would benefit from an anti-sycophant to tell him "no" and that he will listen to.
wilg 2y ago
It's pretty amazing how much they really like Elon (enough to put him on a billboard with Trump) but they'll still shit talk EVs and solar power with abandon.
- choko 2y ago
  It's really not. You don't have to like everything someone does to support them or accept their support. Purity tests are toxic, and it is a large problem on the left side of the aisle.
  - wilg 2y ago
    it's amazing/funny (not surprising) because it demonstrates that they are more interested in culture wars than science or technology, which i think is embarrassing for them
    - mike_hearn 2y ago
      Isn't it the opposite? If they had flipped their views of electric cars based on the politics of who made them that would demonstrate they were more interested in culture wars than science or technology, but they didn't: their views on the merits of EVs remained the same. The article on the other hand is about that exact inversion happening in (parts of) Hollywood, showing that they care more about Elon's tweets than the environment. This indicates they care more about culture wars than science and technology.
      - wilg 2y ago
        no, it's not the opposite. they should have flipped their views to be in line with reality. they are celebrating the culture war while ignoring science. the people in the article likely care more about elon's tweets and the environment than they do about buying tesla cars. i suspect they will prefer other electric vehicles.
croes 2y ago
Because according to Trump EVs don't work.
xedrac 2y ago
Anecdotally, the number of Telsas that have popped up in my deep red state is astounding. My own brother bought a Tesla Y a few months ago, then my father bought one just this month. I go to the gym and can pretty reliably count 15+ Teslas in the parking lot. I see cybertrucks almost daily now, whereas a year ago, I had never seen one in person. I am also planning on buying a Tesla next year, after I get my solar system up and going. We republicans may not do these things because we're worried about global warming or climate change, but I can tell you we certainly care about air quality and cool technology, at least where I'm from.
- wilg 2y ago
  Of course you'd never seen a Cybertruck a year ago because they were not yet available.
- smodo 2y ago
  > We republicans may not do these things because we're worried about global warming or climate change (…) Hilarious every way I turn it. The consequences of global warming are ever more clear, but for the time being cooler cars prevail. I’m not trying to moralize here, just pointing out that the reasoning here is very funny. If I ever catch you recycling plastic I’ll be sure it’s only because it involves cool technology.
  - ryandvm 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - choko 2y ago
      People ditching Teslas because they don't like Elon is political though. If you want to nut-pick between the two sides, we are going to be here a long time.
    - xedrac 2y ago
      I can't speak for all republicans, because we are a diverse group. But if you care to understand why I am not bending backwards at every turn to try and fix global warming, it's very simple. I believe God created this world for His children, and that He will return to it in due time. That's it. I understand that may appear as though I don't care, but that's not true. I certainly don't go out of my way to pollute the earth. I always leave a campsite cleaner than when I found it, etc... this rhetoric that Republicans only care about number one couldn't be further from the truth though.

pupppet 2y ago

If there ever was a guy who could have become a real life Tony Stark, but instead he chose to be a 4chan edgelord. What a waste.

croes 2y ago
He didn't build much himself, so where could he be Tony Stark?
- appendix-rock 2y ago
  Nobody can do it all.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Neither did Tony Stark, excluding that one episode stuck in a cave with a box of scraps.
  - effingwewt 2y ago
    Right, there weren't entire montages about him building them by himself. And that's just the movies, the comics went way deeper. Terrible take this time, I'm afraid.
  - croes 2y ago
    I the movies he is pretty much building himself. With high sophisticated tools but not build by other people. Elon is literally the It-needs-to-be-pointy guy.
    - tim333 2y ago
      Though the movie character was partly based on Elon: >According to Fergus, the character was inspired by an amalgam of real people — but none so much as Elon Musk. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/08/tony-stark-elon-musk-donald-trump-steve-jobs.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/08/tony-stark-elon-musk... I guess fiction is often cooler than reality.

dukeofdoom 2y ago

The Chinese make much longer range electric/hybrid vehicles now, with better interiors, and cheaper prices. Should Trump win, arguably Musk is helping him to win by providing a free speech platform, Trump is more likely to tariff Chinese competition.

Freedom2 2y ago
There's no proof of these cars even existing, while we all see Tesla's every day on the road.
- peutetre 2y ago
  > There's no proof of these cars even existing Here's a Nio covering 891.4 km (554 miles) on a single charge with its 150 kWh battery pack: https://insideevs.com/news/732567/nio-chinese-ev-range-test/ https://insideevs.com/news/732567/nio-chinese-ev-range-test/ Here's a Nio doing a battery swap in 6 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWL1hZQmD0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWL1hZQmD0
- 123yawaworht456 2y ago
  Chinese EVs are not concepts or prototypes. they're in mass production already. outside of China, yes, they're probably a rare sight. in Chinese cities however, from what I saw, a double digit percentage of cars are their EVs - which is a lot of cars in a country with 1.5 billion people. don't take my word for it, there are probably plenty of videos on youtube that show and discuss Chinese city roads.
  - aerzen 2y ago
    I can testify that Chinese EVs are starting to pop up in Europe. Not a lot, but if you do a lot of driving, you can spot one or two a day. Given their price and performance, I think we'll be seeing more of them in the future. The two downsides (that I was told of) are build quality (at the same level as tesla) and obsession with large screens (same as tesla).
  - Freedom2 2y ago

snapplebobapple 2y ago

I tend to agree, however I'm going to reserve opinion for 3-4 years because I think there's a risk to this opinion aging badly as aggressive cost cutting continues, and electric vehicle usage expands beyond fairly left leaning people to the general populace. The chance of a surprise bounce back and expansion of sales as prices go down to areas where competitors are deeply unprofitable but tesla can still be profitable combined with a significant minority (if not an actual majority) of the populace agreeing with many of the things he has said that tesla's current quite far left customers find so detestable may lead to a surprise here.