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Do they? This is about research and papers published - but Chinese academia is amongst the most corrupt in the world, so without the technologies being utilise

by yarg 2y ago

Do they? This is about research and papers published - but Chinese academia is amongst the most corrupt in the world, so without the technologies being utilised (or at least peer reviewed by more trustworthy people) this really doesn't mean all that much. Honestly, if the Chinese were that far ahead they wouldn't depend on industrial espionage to the extent that they do.

hulitu 2y ago
> Honestly, if the Chinese were that far ahead they wouldn't depend on industrial espionage to the extent that they do. Honestly, if the Gringos were that far ahead they wouldn't depend on industrial espionage to the extent that they do.
- derelicta 2y ago
  Westerns unfortunately feel threatened by the rise of socialist Republics because they assume their interests are the same as their elites, so if their elites end up being hurt by China, they will end up being hurt themselves aswell.
  - yarg 2y ago
    Unfortunately? I feel threatened by an ethnosupremacist regime that would murder tens of millions of its own citizens. Crazy huh?
    - derelicta 2y ago
      Ah yes, socialists are the Nazis now and westerners are freedom-loving sovereignty-respecting anti racists
DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
Chinese researchers publish in international journals. Peer review is done in exactly the same way it would be done for American scientists. Nature runs an index of how many papers are published in top journals by scientists in each country and institution: https://www.nature.com/nature-index/country-outputs/generate/all/global https://www.nature.com/nature-index/country-outputs/generate.... Chinese scientists publish more papers in leading international journals than scientists from any other country, including the US (though it's neck and neck at the moment).
- yarg 2y ago
  If Chinese academic research were not absolutely rife with fraud, their MoE wouldn't have stepped in with guidelines to deal with the issue. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-023-02208-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-023-02208-6
  - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
    Every country should have policies to deal with research fraud. The US does as well. You haven't addressed the point I made above, which is that Chinese scientists are now consistently getting published in the most prestigious international journals, in numbers exceeding even US scientists.

by yarg 2y ago

hulitu 2y ago

> Honestly, if the Chinese were that far ahead they wouldn't depend on industrial espionage to the extent that they do. Honestly, if the Gringos were that far ahead they wouldn't depend on industrial espionage to the extent that they do.

derelicta 2y ago
Westerns unfortunately feel threatened by the rise of socialist Republics because they assume their interests are the same as their elites, so if their elites end up being hurt by China, they will end up being hurt themselves aswell.
- yarg 2y ago
  Unfortunately? I feel threatened by an ethnosupremacist regime that would murder tens of millions of its own citizens. Crazy huh?
  - derelicta 2y ago
    Ah yes, socialists are the Nazis now and westerners are freedom-loving sovereignty-respecting anti racists

DiogenesKynikos 2y ago

Chinese researchers publish in international journals. Peer review is done in exactly the same way it would be done for American scientists. Nature runs an index of how many papers are published in top journals by scientists in each country and institution: https://www.nature.com/nature-index/country-outputs/generate/all/global https://www.nature.com/nature-index/country-outputs/generate.... Chinese scientists publish more papers in leading international journals than scientists from any other country, including the US (though it's neck and neck at the moment).

yarg 2y ago
If Chinese academic research were not absolutely rife with fraud, their MoE wouldn't have stepped in with guidelines to deal with the issue. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-023-02208-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-023-02208-6
- DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
  Every country should have policies to deal with research fraud. The US does as well. You haven't addressed the point I made above, which is that Chinese scientists are now consistently getting published in the most prestigious international journals, in numbers exceeding even US scientists.