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I just want to piggy back here. There's often counter arguments about how laws say that when you're in public you have no expectation or right to privacy. Firs
by godelski 2y ago
I just want to piggy back here. There's often counter arguments about how laws say that when you're in public you have no expectation or right to privacy.
First off, this is not true, you definitely have some rights to privacy in public (an trivial example is using a public restroom). The law also is based on what is reasonable, and I don't think nearly everyone would think it is reasonable to expect some privacy if you walked down an alley to get away from others or went to a more secluded area. These are often explicitly why people do such things.
Second, recognize that many of these laws were written long before the average person had a camera and microphone in their pockets (not to mention high quality). The environment changed and it makes sense that our laws should change to. So even if you reject the first point these arguments about "what the law says" are still not enough to dispel concerns because we can in fact change the laws. More so, we _should_ constantly be updating laws due to our changing environments and how we learn about things as they happen.
And yeah, there's also a significant difference between a private person and a government doing these tasks. The government has a lot more power, and this does mean they require higher scrutiny and accountability even if you have complete faith in them (yes, this also means corporate entities, since the concern is power dynamics). Scale certainly has changed in the last 100, 50, 20, and even 10 years. It happened fast and no matter what side you are on, you can't ignore that things have changed and are about to change even more.
- the_gorilla 2y agoThe fact that people so many have to be explicitly told they have no expectation of privacy by people online kind of proves that opposite, that the average person does expect some natural right to privacy and has to be instructed otherwise.
- godelski 2y agoExactly. If it's news to people then they clearly had some expectation. But I think it's easy to fool yourself into thinking this isn't true post hoc knowing and especially if you're someone who visits HN and is more keen on the details. I think it's also worth noting that most people don't want this to happen even when they do know. Of course some people don't care but even they do when they learn how it's being used