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> Compared to prior iPhone models, the iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus are easier to repair. Apple is using an electric battery removal process, and the steps
by miles 2y ago
> Compared to prior iPhone models, the iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus are easier to repair. Apple is using an electric battery removal process, and the steps for accessing a battery to replace it are outlined in a separate support document <https://support.apple.com/en-us/120642 https://support.apple.com/en-us/120642>. Per Apple's instructions, a 9-volt battery and 9-volt battery clips can be applied to the iPhone 16 battery to remove the adhesive that holds it in place.
"Easier" is relative I guess:
Here’s every tool you’ll need to replace the iPhone 16’s battery https://9to5mac.com/2024/09/20/heres-every-tool-youll-need-to-replace-the-iphone-16s-battery/ https://9to5mac.com/2024/09/20/heres-every-tool-youll-need-t...
* 9-volt battery
* 9-volt battery clips (923-10726)
* Battery press (923-02657)
* Ethanol wipes or isopropyl alcohol (IPA) wipes
* Nylon probe (black stick) (922-5065) or suction cup
* Safety glasses with side shields
* Sand
* Sand container
By contrast, the Treo 650 battery replacement took a few seconds and zero tools.
- cbsks 2y agoDon’t forget that first you need to remove the back glass, which requires: Torque driver (blue, 0.65 kgf cm) (923-0448) Torque driver (green, 0.45 kgf cm) (923-00105) Security bit (923-0247) Micro stix bit (923-01290) Nylon probe (black stick) (922-5065) ESD-safe tweezers Adhesive removal tool (923-09176) Adhesive cutter (923-01092) Ethanol wipes or isopropyl alcohol (IPA) wipes 6.1-inch repair tray (923-10712) Camera cap (923-10716) Display press (661-08916) Cut-resistant gloves. Gloves may vary by region. Heat-resistant gloves. Gloves may vary by region. Safety glasses with side shields https://support.apple.com/en-us/120638 https://support.apple.com/en-us/120638
- threeseed 2y agoMost of this is available in any electronics screwdriver kit. And the rest is just for safety.
- raverbashing 2y agoIt's amazing how people will think this is anything out of the ordinary for a repair shop But I guess Apple caters to the people who think getting grease in their hands is beyond them.
- EthicalSimilar 2y agoWas the Treo 650 waterproof? :)
- Brian_K_White 2y agoIt was water-indifferent, like a Jeep. (Kidding. I did love mine and I did not protect it, and I'm sure it got rained on many times, but I don't know if I ever literally hosed water through it. :)
- ratiolat 2y agoOr perhaps get Samsung Xcover Pro - removable battery and IP68 rating (and audio jack!) https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php
- bluescrn 2y agoDo people go swimming with their phones? Older devices could generally handle splashes, e.g being used in light rain. Water damage seemed far less likely than drop damage.
- throwaway48540 2y agoYes, I do.
- microtonal 2y agoBut that's most likely 1% of the market. They can have their own phones. The rest of us just want water resistance for accidental contact with water and easily replaceable batteries.
- throwaway48540 2y agoWe have our own phone, it's the iPhone. I paid the money for it because I wanted the full package. You can buy your own kind of phone that's not the full package. Many different vendors are making that.
- threeseed 2y agoThat is significantly easier than trying to remove a glued-on battery. And removable batteries require far more internal space which is why they fell out of favour.
- userbinator 2y agoAnd removable batteries require far more internal space No they don't. Less than 1% extra volume.
- alooPotato 2y agothat seems not possible but i'm just guessing. where are you getting the 1% from?
- threeseed 2y agoPlease provide source. Especially given that you would want to preserve some form of water resistance. Meaning you either (a) have the entire back be removable or (b) a battery injection mechanism similar to a Leica SL3. Both of which would seem to need far more than 1% extra volume.
- sbuk 2y agoComparable battery capacity, materials and technology? No.
- akerr 2y agoNo one is stopping you from using a Treo 650.
- miles 2y agoSadly, Verizon is: CDMA Network Update https://www.verizon.com/prepaid/cdma-network-update/ https://www.verizon.com/prepaid/cdma-network-update/ > Starting Dec 31,2022 we no longer support 3G/4G Non-VoLTE. To keep your service active, upgrade your phone.
- tshaddox 2y agoThe same way that McDonald’s or H&R Block are preventing you from using a Treo 650. Those companies also do not provide cellular service compatible with that phone.
- miles 2y agoThe main difference being that Verizon sold me the phone and supported it on their network until they didn't. So yes, the Treo 650 still turns on and can be used without voice or data service, but claiming that Verizon is no more preventing me from using it than McDonald's or H&R Block in this case seems disingenuous.
- 015a 2y agoNot just Verizon; the literal FCC, who licenses and restricts what bandwidth can be used for what purpose.
- miles 2y agoThe FCC did not mandate the transition: Why are 3G networks being phased out? https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/plan-ahead-phase-out-3g-cellular-networks-and-service https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/plan-ahead-phase-out-3g... > As mobile carriers seek to upgrade their networks to use the latest technologies, they periodically shut down older services, such as 3G, to free up spectrum and infrastructure to support new services, such as 5G. Similar transitions have happened before. For example, some mobile carriers shut down their 2G networks when they upgraded their networks to support 4G services. Mobile carriers have the flexibility to choose the types of technologies and services they deploy, including when they decommission older services in favor of newer services to meet consumer demands.
- userbinator 2y agoIt's almost like Apple is maliciously complying by overcomplicating the procedure, which is not surprising.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> almost like Apple is maliciously complying by overcomplicating the procedure Sorry, which of a 9-volt battery, alcohol wipes, safety glasses or sand (and a container for it) screams inaccessible? (And everything there is technically optional. I doubt most Treo 650 users drained the battery before touching it, or bothered with a suction cup.) Removing the back glass takes special tools, but I'll take that over having to replace my phone every time it gets wet.
- userbinator 2y agoNot "inaccessible" but totally unnecessary. Why the bloody hell do you need a 9-volt battery to replace the battery!?!? Removing the back glass takes special tools, but I'll take that over having to replace my phone every time it gets wet. Gaskets have been around for over a century.
- Kirby64 2y agoTheir own repair guide states you can use literally any DC power supply, up to 30V. No need to waste 9Vs when you can use an off the shelf DC supply.
- dumbo-octopus 2y agoGaskets require pressure. Adhesive doesn't. Different solutions for different problems.
- sgerenser 2y agoApparently the 9v battery runs enough current through the metallic case of the battery to melt and release the adhesive so you can pull the old battery out. Seems like a pretty clever solution, if not a bit over-engineered: https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/28/new-battery-replacement-method-with-iphone-16/ https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/28/new-battery-replacement...
- yalok 2y agoRemoving a battery attached with previous type of adhesive is torture - the elastic tab frequently tears off, and I ended up a few times having to bend the old battery a lot, to get it out (very unsafe, it starts heating). So, to me, this is a huge progress. Plus, don’t you normally have 9v battery and some connectors for it already?
- userbinator 2y agoThis is not progress, this is overengineering pretending to be progress. Batteries don't need to be glued on in the first place.
- hbbio 2y agoNo, it helps on a lot of issues. Starting with safety (it reduces damage on drops).
- Arnt 2y agoThat's a really good reason, but could you elaborate on the other issues? Just curious.
- bluescrn 2y agoA small amount of adhesive might be justifiable, but the amount used is excessive and seems there primarily to increase ‘repair friction’, in a rather dangerous way - actively increasing the chance of a battery fire when replacement attempts are made.
- madeofpalk 2y agoApple has to do a lot of these repairs themselves in their stores by retail workers, often under warranty, so they are incentivised to make the repairs easier and cheaper. The more risk of a retail worker screwing up a repair means higher cost of them fixing it by replacing the whole phone. They're also incentivised to make devices smaller, more waterproof, and increase battery capacity to size ratio. These all push for 'just glue it together'.
- seventytwo 2y agoOh, give me a break. You can still do all the same shit with iFixit tools. These are just the genuine tools aimed at repair shops.
- raverbashing 2y ago"every tool you need" sounds like basic stuff for a repair shop Nobody is going and buying the Apple 9v battery or "Apple sand"
- tanduv 2y agoah yes the readily available custom "Battery press (923-02657)" https://cdsassets.apple.com/live/SZLF0YNV/images/tp/bucket_3/117985_RP2038_Roll_1_V1_1X.jpg https://cdsassets.apple.com/live/SZLF0YNV/images/tp/bucket_3...
- raverbashing 2y agoThis seems to be a new device, should be a matter of weeks to have a similar tool show up in Amazon, etc There are alternative devices one could use, or you know, just use the tools you have, as long as you keep the pressure smooth. Possibly a Juicero kind of device
- sgerenser 2y agoWith a steady hand something like this would work fine: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00409KRB4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00409KRB4
- fecal_henge 2y agoHardly, needs something more like this. https://www.gasparini.com/en/the-worlds-largest-hydraulic-presses/ https://www.gasparini.com/en/the-worlds-largest-hydraulic-pr...
- gruturo 2y agoI think we just found a use for all those Juicero's destined for the landfill.
- sbuk 2y agoIn contrast, the Treo 650 battery was considerably smaller in terms of capacity and significantly bigger in terms of physical size, leading to a bulkier device that had a significantly lower resolution, colour and physically sized screen. Lets not pretend the state of the art has not moved on.
- sholladay 2y agoThe last few are just for your safety and can obviously be skipped if you feel like being a cowboy. And to me, “zero tools” makes it sound like that’s your preferred approach. So why count them against one phone but not the other?
- Gud 2y agoThese are basic items, much of it safety gear. This is a state of the art micro computer. Of course it will require tools to handle correctly.