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I don’t understand. Can you explain?

dijit 2y ago
He’s suggesting that people shouldn’t buy apple products. Given that the only viable commercial alternative is Windows, with arguably much more egregious user-hostile behaviour (especially towards power users) I find his comment disingenuous. Edit: Downvoted for answering? Shame on you HN.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Hey, if you don't want to admit that both OSes are metastasizing the same tumor it's not my problem. I don't use either MacOS or Windows nowadays, but my experience developing with WSL was ~10x more stable than any Mac environment I've made for the same purpose. For Docker, the performance differential is so wide it's embarrassing.
  - dijit 2y ago
    The alternatives are not commercially viable. (even though I am a Linux/OpenBSD user- and a loud one). MacOS is perfectly serviceable with things like colima. Calling MacOS user-hostile (due to SIP being enforced?!) is quite a bit different than the actual major usability issues that Windows has been pushing on users, it’s not fair to compare them like this. Commercially viable Linux desktops can’t come soon enough; though desktop computing is dying.
talldayo 2y ago
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- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  > Stop using Apple products Remember that all of the above applies to any device with Secure Boot; including but not limited to all Android devices. Additionally, let's not pretend Windows is the paragon of user freedom.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    Wherever the bootloader is open, none of that really tends to matter. > Additionally, let's not pretend Windows is the paragon of user freedom. False dichotomy
    - gjsman-1000 2y ago
      Fair dichotomy when modern computers have very hit-and-miss Linux compatibility. Who cares if the bootloader's unlocked when sleep doesn't work?
      - zdragnar 2y ago
        I've been using Linux on laptops almost exclusively for years. I made two exceptions: 1) one job required mac laptops. The user experience was, for my tastes, subpar, and the performance was the same or worse. 2) I keep a windows install around for the rare case of playing a game. It really isn't that hard to look up hardware compatibility online, and of the three OSs, windows is easily the worst. Booting occasionally fails, sometimes reboot will shut down, or the shut down option will reboot instead. I've had less problems running Linux (currently fedora) than anything else in the last, I dunno, 8 years?
        gjsman-1000 2y ago
        > It really isn't that hard to look up hardware compatibility online Code for, “buy a new computer.” In which case my point stands even stronger: who cares if the boot loader is locked, if I can just buy a different computer with it unlocked? Also, good for you that Linux works. That’s not anywhere close to universal.
        zdragnar 2y ago
        It may, however, be far more common than you expect.
  - fsflover 2y ago
- mistrial9 2y ago
  > To Apple, it doesn't matter if your livelihood or carefully-written software relies on a depreciated feature. They never have. not entirely true, but especially true of Steve Jobs, who seemed to make some special personal effort to crush people and their products. The current CEO was hand-picked by Jobs for his ability to dominate contract negotiations IIR.
dialup_sounds 2y ago
"I don't know the answer, but I have strong opinions about the question."

He’s suggesting that people shouldn’t buy apple products. Given that the only viable commercial alternative is Windows, with arguably much more egregious user-hostile behaviour (especially towards power users) I find his comment disingenuous. Edit: Downvoted for answering? Shame on you HN.

talldayo 2y ago
Hey, if you don't want to admit that both OSes are metastasizing the same tumor it's not my problem. I don't use either MacOS or Windows nowadays, but my experience developing with WSL was ~10x more stable than any Mac environment I've made for the same purpose. For Docker, the performance differential is so wide it's embarrassing.
- dijit 2y ago
  The alternatives are not commercially viable. (even though I am a Linux/OpenBSD user- and a loud one). MacOS is perfectly serviceable with things like colima. Calling MacOS user-hostile (due to SIP being enforced?!) is quite a bit different than the actual major usability issues that Windows has been pushing on users, it’s not fair to compare them like this. Commercially viable Linux desktops can’t come soon enough; though desktop computing is dying.

talldayo 2y ago

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gjsman-1000 2y ago
> Stop using Apple products Remember that all of the above applies to any device with Secure Boot; including but not limited to all Android devices. Additionally, let's not pretend Windows is the paragon of user freedom.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Wherever the bootloader is open, none of that really tends to matter. > Additionally, let's not pretend Windows is the paragon of user freedom. False dichotomy
  - gjsman-1000 2y ago
    Fair dichotomy when modern computers have very hit-and-miss Linux compatibility. Who cares if the bootloader's unlocked when sleep doesn't work?
    - zdragnar 2y ago
      I've been using Linux on laptops almost exclusively for years. I made two exceptions: 1) one job required mac laptops. The user experience was, for my tastes, subpar, and the performance was the same or worse. 2) I keep a windows install around for the rare case of playing a game. It really isn't that hard to look up hardware compatibility online, and of the three OSs, windows is easily the worst. Booting occasionally fails, sometimes reboot will shut down, or the shut down option will reboot instead. I've had less problems running Linux (currently fedora) than anything else in the last, I dunno, 8 years?
      - gjsman-1000 2y ago
        > It really isn't that hard to look up hardware compatibility online Code for, “buy a new computer.” In which case my point stands even stronger: who cares if the boot loader is locked, if I can just buy a different computer with it unlocked? Also, good for you that Linux works. That’s not anywhere close to universal.
        zdragnar 2y ago
        It may, however, be far more common than you expect.
- fsflover 2y ago
mistrial9 2y ago
> To Apple, it doesn't matter if your livelihood or carefully-written software relies on a depreciated feature. They never have. not entirely true, but especially true of Steve Jobs, who seemed to make some special personal effort to crush people and their products. The current CEO was hand-picked by Jobs for his ability to dominate contract negotiations IIR.

dialup_sounds 2y ago

"I don't know the answer, but I have strong opinions about the question."