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I was going to disagree with you, because most kiwis have no idea how to write the special o (myself included), so they’d end up typing toreo.nz instead. Which

I was going to disagree with you, because most kiwis have no idea how to write the special o (myself included), so they’d end up typing toreo.nz instead. Which as it turns out, redirects to xn--treo-l3a.nz anyway. Nice!

EdwardDiego 2y ago
I'm a fan of MacOS for making it real easy to type vowels with umlauts / macrons etc.
- samatman 2y ago
  Unfortunately the macron is the one missing dead-key accent on the US "ABC" layout. It's easy enough to hit the globe key when this comes up, but it annoys me a bit that Opt-y is ¥, and Shift-Opt-Y is Á, which is a duplicate: Opt-e-A will also produce it. I'd be happier if Opt-y was the macron dead key and Shift-Opt-Y took over for ¥: I can go a year without needing the Yen symbol, but it makes sense to have it. I don't think the English layout needs two ways to type Á though, it's excessive.
  - _zoltan_ 2y ago
    a proper ő is also missing unfortunately
  - EdwardDiego 2y ago
    I just hold down the vowel, then hit 9 for the macron.
mkl 2y ago
The ō is an o with a macron. It's pretty easy to install a keyboard layout that supports it: https://kupu.maori.nz/about/macrons-keyboard-setup https://kupu.maori.nz/about/macrons-keyboard-setup. Many mobile keyboards support it by default with long presses to pop up an accent/variant chooser.
- lmm 2y ago
  > It's pretty easy to install a keyboard layout that supports it Only if you don't need anything else from your keyboard layout. I use Dvorak and need to type Japanese, and I think either of those makes it impossible to enter macrons on Windows.
  - mkl 2y ago
    You can have multiple keyboard layouts installed, and it takes a fraction of a second to switch with a shortcut key (on Windows it's Win-space). I have a Māori keyboard layout installed on my work computer, but I only switch into it to type words with macrons, then switch back (I use ` more often and don't like having to double-press it).
    - lmm 2y ago
      Sure, but even if I switched back and forth, the keys would be in the wrong place (because you can only have a qwerty layout with macrons, right?). Somehow the model is wrong compared to Linux where I can do compose to get a macron on any "underlying" layout.
lostlogin 2y ago
> kiwis have no idea how to write the special o (myself included) I’m in New Zealand too. I work in MRI and have to type ‘TE’ (echo time) regularly, as well as the Māori word ‘te’. Whatever secret sauce Apple sprinkles into iOS is actually malignant and it takes about 3 edits to type te/TE whenever I try.
- nicoburns 2y ago
  Yeah, Apple's autocorrect implementation is shockingly bad. Android is much better in this regard.
  - williamdclt 2y ago
    I’m 2y into having an iPhone, generally liking it better but autocorrect alone keeps me on the edge of switching back to android, that’s how bad it is. It’s not even about comparing to android, it’s just that iOS is bad. If I had a bigger phone I’d turn it off entirely but on a mini it’s juuuust useful enough that it makes me want to throw my phone against the wall _less_ than if it was off. I honestly want to have a coffee chat with the PM in charge of autocorrect at apple, I need to understand what the hell they are thinking!
    - lostlogin 2y ago
      I type what I want then add a sacrificial letter at the end, then delete it, then carry on. - I just tested and this is the way, but it still took me a couple of tries due to it thinking it screwing with the capitalisation.

EdwardDiego 2y ago

I'm a fan of MacOS for making it real easy to type vowels with umlauts / macrons etc.

samatman 2y ago
Unfortunately the macron is the one missing dead-key accent on the US "ABC" layout. It's easy enough to hit the globe key when this comes up, but it annoys me a bit that Opt-y is ¥, and Shift-Opt-Y is Á, which is a duplicate: Opt-e-A will also produce it. I'd be happier if Opt-y was the macron dead key and Shift-Opt-Y took over for ¥: I can go a year without needing the Yen symbol, but it makes sense to have it. I don't think the English layout needs two ways to type Á though, it's excessive.
- _zoltan_ 2y ago
  a proper ő is also missing unfortunately
- EdwardDiego 2y ago
  I just hold down the vowel, then hit 9 for the macron.

mkl 2y ago

The ō is an o with a macron. It's pretty easy to install a keyboard layout that supports it: https://kupu.maori.nz/about/macrons-keyboard-setup https://kupu.maori.nz/about/macrons-keyboard-setup. Many mobile keyboards support it by default with long presses to pop up an accent/variant chooser.

lmm 2y ago
> It's pretty easy to install a keyboard layout that supports it Only if you don't need anything else from your keyboard layout. I use Dvorak and need to type Japanese, and I think either of those makes it impossible to enter macrons on Windows.
- mkl 2y ago
  You can have multiple keyboard layouts installed, and it takes a fraction of a second to switch with a shortcut key (on Windows it's Win-space). I have a Māori keyboard layout installed on my work computer, but I only switch into it to type words with macrons, then switch back (I use ` more often and don't like having to double-press it).
  - lmm 2y ago
    Sure, but even if I switched back and forth, the keys would be in the wrong place (because you can only have a qwerty layout with macrons, right?). Somehow the model is wrong compared to Linux where I can do compose to get a macron on any "underlying" layout.

lostlogin 2y ago

> kiwis have no idea how to write the special o (myself included) I’m in New Zealand too. I work in MRI and have to type ‘TE’ (echo time) regularly, as well as the Māori word ‘te’. Whatever secret sauce Apple sprinkles into iOS is actually malignant and it takes about 3 edits to type te/TE whenever I try.

nicoburns 2y ago
Yeah, Apple's autocorrect implementation is shockingly bad. Android is much better in this regard.
- williamdclt 2y ago
  I’m 2y into having an iPhone, generally liking it better but autocorrect alone keeps me on the edge of switching back to android, that’s how bad it is. It’s not even about comparing to android, it’s just that iOS is bad. If I had a bigger phone I’d turn it off entirely but on a mini it’s juuuust useful enough that it makes me want to throw my phone against the wall _less_ than if it was off. I honestly want to have a coffee chat with the PM in charge of autocorrect at apple, I need to understand what the hell they are thinking!
  - lostlogin 2y ago
    I type what I want then add a sacrificial letter at the end, then delete it, then carry on. - I just tested and this is the way, but it still took me a couple of tries due to it thinking it screwing with the capitalisation.