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I don't have the broader context (like the exact situation for LGBTQIA+ people in Tanzania), but... > Yah I'm sure the African pycon was planning to ask every

I don't have the broader context (like the exact situation for LGBTQIA+ people in Tanzania), but... > Yah I'm sure the African pycon was planning to ask every attendee if they are LGBT... You're passing judgement on people you don't know, while you remain in a privileged and ignorant position. Many trans/NB/intersex people could be easily identified as such, based on their appearance/voice/etc. Even if the concern was sexuality alone (or other characteristics you could mask/hide), nobody wants to live out their life in a closet - that's also the entire point of a conference: to go there and talk to other people, to feel safe while doing so, to be able to remain yourself. The problem space is way more nuanced than "just don't have gay sex in public lol".

TeeMassive 2y ago
> while you remain in a privileged and ignorant position I think Python devs such as you and I are much more privileged than the average African.
- rollcat 2y ago
  I don't see how it changes the situation. You can never know the exact life situation of any particular individual. I may be a member of one (or many) marginalised groups. I'm aware I'm ignorant of many issues, including even those that directly concern me. Still, TinkersW's comment amounts to "don't be gay". That's exactly the kind of thinking that enables this problem in the first place. Whether you're privileged or not, tolerance could be as simple as just letting people live their lives. Acts of discrimination, hate, aggression - whether mandated by law, by customs, or else - these are all wilful choices, made by people who commit them.
  - TeeMassive 2y ago
    > I don't see how it changes the situation. That's precisely my point. Mentionning someone else's "privilege" is a meaningless ad hominem.
    - rollcat 2y ago
      Oh. That's actually a good point. In my defence, I stated my ignorance upfront ;)

TeeMassive 2y ago

> while you remain in a privileged and ignorant position I think Python devs such as you and I are much more privileged than the average African.

rollcat 2y ago
I don't see how it changes the situation. You can never know the exact life situation of any particular individual. I may be a member of one (or many) marginalised groups. I'm aware I'm ignorant of many issues, including even those that directly concern me. Still, TinkersW's comment amounts to "don't be gay". That's exactly the kind of thinking that enables this problem in the first place. Whether you're privileged or not, tolerance could be as simple as just letting people live their lives. Acts of discrimination, hate, aggression - whether mandated by law, by customs, or else - these are all wilful choices, made by people who commit them.
- TeeMassive 2y ago
  > I don't see how it changes the situation. That's precisely my point. Mentionning someone else's "privilege" is a meaningless ad hominem.
  - rollcat 2y ago
    Oh. That's actually a good point. In my defence, I stated my ignorance upfront ;)