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So how exactly do I get ESS running on my TrueNAS? Cant seem to find straight answer on their page.

by MaxikCZ 2y ago

redrobein 2y ago
Seems like this is a paid product meant for enterprise use.
- MaxikCZ 2y ago
  I have trouble even just veryfing that on their page. So far its an instant turnoff, when I cant even find basic info.
  - 3np 2y ago
    FWIW, pricing here (10 EUR/user/month, min 100 users; self-hosted apparently also supported): https://element.io/pricing https://element.io/pricing
SushiHippie 2y ago
Seems like ESS ist their managed solution, which uses Synapse but with an admin UI. Thats at least how I understand it, because to "get" ESS you need to fill out a contact form. https://try.element.io/get-started https://try.element.io/get-started
- MaxikCZ 2y ago
  Ah, so I can get this free opensource decentralized solution if I pay a company to host it for me on their centralized server, got it. I mean i wouldnt have a problem paying one-time fee of around $100 if that would mean I can get that soft running locally for my groups, but I guess I am not the target potential customer group.
  - 3np 2y ago
    If you want to self-host the actual free open-source software, you can totally do that. You just shouldn't go looking at the product page of the enterprise offering for it (: It looks like ESS is mostly managed deployment of otherwise opensourced software like Synapse, Element Web, Element Call, and friends. And I guess they have some backoffice with a glossy web UI for account/user management. https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy is a good starting point!
  - preya2k 2y ago
    You can also host it yourself, but what ESS offers is a combination of multiple discrete services. You’re gonna have to host Synapse itself, the Matrix Authentication Service (for native OIDC), Element Call (which requires LiveKit) and Element Web.
  - sedansesame 2y ago
    It is free and opensource, but there are different parts to it if you selfhost. Synapse is the Matrix server backend, and Element is the UI (web/mobile app). [0] ESS is a paid, fully managed service by the Element team for ease of use. - [0] https://github.com/element-hq/ https://github.com/element-hq/
paulnpace 2y ago
It is generally not a good idea to run web services on a file server.
weystrom 2y ago
https://github.com/element-hq/ess-starter-edition-core https://github.com/element-hq/ess-starter-edition-core They ship a k8s operator that deploys Synapse, will try that later. Supposedly it's free up to 200 users. But it seems like there's 0 documentation past the README.

So how exactly do I get ESS running on my TrueNAS? Cant seem to find straight answer on their page.

redrobein 2y ago

Seems like this is a paid product meant for enterprise use.

MaxikCZ 2y ago
I have trouble even just veryfing that on their page. So far its an instant turnoff, when I cant even find basic info.
- 3np 2y ago
  FWIW, pricing here (10 EUR/user/month, min 100 users; self-hosted apparently also supported): https://element.io/pricing https://element.io/pricing

SushiHippie 2y ago

Seems like ESS ist their managed solution, which uses Synapse but with an admin UI. Thats at least how I understand it, because to "get" ESS you need to fill out a contact form. https://try.element.io/get-started https://try.element.io/get-started

MaxikCZ 2y ago
Ah, so I can get this free opensource decentralized solution if I pay a company to host it for me on their centralized server, got it. I mean i wouldnt have a problem paying one-time fee of around $100 if that would mean I can get that soft running locally for my groups, but I guess I am not the target potential customer group.
- 3np 2y ago
  If you want to self-host the actual free open-source software, you can totally do that. You just shouldn't go looking at the product page of the enterprise offering for it (: It looks like ESS is mostly managed deployment of otherwise opensourced software like Synapse, Element Web, Element Call, and friends. And I guess they have some backoffice with a glossy web UI for account/user management. https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy is a good starting point!
- preya2k 2y ago
  You can also host it yourself, but what ESS offers is a combination of multiple discrete services. You’re gonna have to host Synapse itself, the Matrix Authentication Service (for native OIDC), Element Call (which requires LiveKit) and Element Web.
- sedansesame 2y ago
  It is free and opensource, but there are different parts to it if you selfhost. Synapse is the Matrix server backend, and Element is the UI (web/mobile app). [0] ESS is a paid, fully managed service by the Element team for ease of use. - [0] https://github.com/element-hq/ https://github.com/element-hq/

paulnpace 2y ago

It is generally not a good idea to run web services on a file server.

weystrom 2y ago

https://github.com/element-hq/ess-starter-edition-core https://github.com/element-hq/ess-starter-edition-core They ship a k8s operator that deploys Synapse, will try that later. Supposedly it's free up to 200 users. But it seems like there's 0 documentation past the README.