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Young women are starting to leave men behind

32 points by johntfella 2y ago

falcor84 2y ago
https://archive.ph/fNpSR https://archive.ph/fNpSR
- Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
  thanks a lot!
486sx33 2y ago
My wife has significantly more education in academia than me. I make a lot more money. Should education be tied to financial compensation? In a free market, no. In communism? Probably. Not everyone who is intelligent excels at academia. Which is better? Arguments either way. Which makes a stronger country? A free market.
- bankcust08385 2y ago
  There is a book about how women had better orgasms under Communism in the GDPR. While the premise seems far-fetched, it kind of makes sense and is inconvenient for adherents of the prevailing anarcho-capitalist worldview. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Women_Have_Better_Sex_Under_Socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Women_Have_Better_Sex_Unde...
TacticalCoder 2y ago
Random anecdata: when I was dating a doctor back in the days, 71% of her class were women too (Belgium, city of Brussels, a good university [the one were FOSDEM takes place yearly btw]). Nowadays most of my doctors are women (another country but my GP, dermatologist, urologist [!], etc. are all women). On the other hand there are some types of work for which women seems to have very little interest in: for example I have never seen a documentary showing a saturation diver / underwater welder fixing pipelines where the person was a woman (nor a woman identifying as a man FWIW). There may be some but I take it it's 99%+ men. Reality check.
- readthenotes1 2y ago
  There are more mid-student women than men as well in the United States
- defrost 2y ago
  It's not that woman can't or won't dive * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving) * https://www.diveoclock.com/destinations/Asia/South_Korea/Haenyeo/ https://www.diveoclock.com/destinations/Asia/South_Korea/Hae... more the male dominated dick swinging can't escape nature of hours in close quarter pressurisation tanks. The fairly strong (not universal by country) preference for already trained navy divers also served to keep women out of such work; these days you'll find women operating ROV's on deep sea operations.
082349872349872 2y ago
The "Simpsons Go Calypso" predicted this in 1991? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93COkUCwqSw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93COkUCwqSw
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Nah, they're voicing a real song from the 1930s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Smart_(Woman_Smarter) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Smart_(Woman_Smarter)
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  - smegsicle 2y ago
    sentiment from 1905: "it pleases the bohemians to say that women are equal to men, but infuriates them to say that men are equal to women" though a hundred years later the bohemian has begun to relax on the latter point
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      wonder what the bien-pensants would've made of "Man Smart, Critter Smarter": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HkS3Wrf0k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HkS3Wrf0k ? (Chekov's factory was apparently foreshadowed during the previous appearance of the Prairie Dogs)
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mattlondon 2y ago
There are A LOT of female-only (or identifies as female) things (free STEM classes/camps, apprenticeships/internships, talks, events at museums, trips etc etc) for girls/young-women in the UK. Even at work there are female-only networking and career development and placement and mentorship things. Boys/men are not invited and are explicitly not welcome to attend. Is it any wonder that all of this is leading to more opportunities and more success for women? Not sure why people are surprised that positive discrimination is having the intended effect I am not saying it is wrong, but it was obvious that consistently giving special treatment and opportunities to one group while actively blocking access for another group would lead to outcomes that the other group would not benefit from when this all started a decade or two ago. I know "equality" is now a banned word and is on the naughty list, but whatever happened to equity for young school-age boys and men? It is not the fault of a 5 year old that historically men have had things better, yet they are now being actively sidelined and actively denied opportunities due to the sins of the historical patriarchy. Somehow I doubt we'll see "boys only" extra-classes and events etc at schools any time soon though.
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- happytoexplain 2y ago
  One nitpick: It is not the fault of anybody that any of their intrinsic member groups (e.g. race, gender) have historically been advantaged, regardless of age (until they decide to explicitly fight for that bias). I not only agree that doing this kind of social bias correction based on symptom addressal has eventual negative effects on others, I think holistically it's a net negative. Human nature makes this an almost impossible argument to present, but I really think it's just as damaging to actively disadvantage individuals for their intrinsic membership in a historically advantaged group as it is to passively disadvantage individuals for their intrinsic membership in a historically disadvantaged group.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    I mostly agree with you. And yet... Let's say you have one group that is being left behind because of lack of social capital. (I think that's a decent term to describe the issue.) You don't want to discriminate against the other group, because that's unjust and has negative effects. But if you don't do something to boost the "under" group, they're going to continue to be the under group, the group without adequate social capital. You say "don't reverse discriminate", and I think I agree. But then... what? What should we do?
close04 2y ago
I tried to look for an explanation for this phenomenon in the article but couldn't find a clear one. What's the reason for this? Are women working so much harder? Are they intrinsically smarter more capable? Is this overcompensation from society trying to fix the pervasive discrimination from the past and forgetting the boys and young men, leaving them behind? Are men trying to "ride the wave" of advantages some may have had in the past without realizing there's no wave? The result is easy to guess. It's what tends to happen to groups who feel ignored, forgotten, that their needs are not addressed in any way while others' needs are. The disillusioned flock to populist and extremist groups with the reasoning/hope that if the current power forgot about them, the opposite of the current power will help them. Or they will resort to violence against the ones they think are getting the unfair attention. For whoever didn't learn from history, extremism of any kind ruins the cake for everyone.
- 28304283409234 2y ago
  So many theories. I tend to think it has something to do with the decades of men shunning educational professions. All the teachers are women, hence the teaching methods and school organizations are unwittingly gender-biased towards what works for women. As well as just the simple fact that the authority and rolemodel in front of the classroom is a woman, so girls get to look up to those and identify with authority, smarts, learning, teaching. While boys, well... Brawl Stars. So, yeah, that. And internet porn.
  - atmavatar 2y ago
    It doesn't help that there's a strong social stigma that males attempting to interact with young children in any fashion must be pedophiles, and teaching is not exempt from this.
  - OutOfHere 2y ago
    In the US, "on average", a certain group of adult women are significantly more aggressive than adult men, and this really ruins the show. I don't mean merely assertive which is fine. Looking back at all the women I have dated, the few non-aggressive ones were gems. No men would want a relationship with the aggressive women with their egregious levels of hate. I do think that the system of education is to blame for putting society out of balance.
schmorptron 2y ago
I think any interpretation of this phenomenon that doesn't include the phrase "it depends" is doing it injustice. We're now in the first time where the implicit (and explicit) bias against women in education, especially in STEM, is decreasing (but not gone!) and the way girls are socialized compared to boys (and maybe even some developmental differences and movement requirements?) in general seems to make them better prepared for proper studying and learning at schools. There's a discussion to be had if schools and universities are failing boys and men, and I think that might be part of it. If there are innate gender differences, and that I'm not sure of, the solution cannot be adjusting the schools to boys' needs again if it is at the expense of girls' results again. I think the most important takeaway in this has to be: What do boys and men need in order to get to that same level, and how can we best provide it? This might be one of the things that can actually be accurately blamed on old-age patriarchial norms and their second and third-order effects. As a man who's currently in uni, this has sometimes been a hard truth, because knowing that I might've had it easier than others makes it pretty hard to feel accomplished, and makes it feel even worse when you fail at something or courses even though you should have the "preferred" profile for it, and that is something that feels like patriarchial (in the powerful-man instead of all men way) thinking being perpetuated and subconciously being harmful. There are lots of female empowerment programs nowadays, and while they might seem exclusionary, especially when there doesn't exist an all-gender pendant, I still see them as a net positive, simply because there is still too much social stigma towards women in STEM (that we in our bubble might not even notice) that that clear messaging of "YOU are wanted here" is incredibly helpful. I like the ending thought in the article that this doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. Is anyone here more well versed in the topic? I feel like I skipped some steps in my reasoning and can't articulate why
- benterix 2y ago
  > There's a discussion to be had if schools and universities are failing boys and men "If"??? That phenomenon started a long time ago and the society as a whole is suffering because of that. > how the current education system places boys at a disadvantage; why boys raised in poverty are less likely than girls to escape it; the fact that female students are twice as likely to study abroad and serve in the Peace Corps as their male peers; Reeves’s policy proposal to have boys start school a year later than girls[0] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-richard-reeves.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...
ackermavilla 2y ago
It is evolutionary. Who wants to put children in this world? It is not only the high cost of everything and relative job insecurity, it is also environmental issues and risks of war, etc., that makes many women not to want children. Then the next step is, not to want to be too associated with men. Then the next step is, to remain amongst themselves. It's the evolution, stupid.
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readthenotes1 2y ago
Boys: Bart and Homer Simpson. Girls: Lisa and Marge There are a lot of young men these days you seem to be sucked into the dopamine of video games that doesn't seem to attract young women as much
- bankcust08385 2y ago
  See also: Man, Interrupted and Man (Dis)conneted by Philip Zimbardo. Also, a TED talk on the subject.
082349872349872 2y ago
I haven't quickly found more recent numbers, but switzerland had a good experience from 2010-2020, and the following article claims the apprenticeship system helps: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/sci-tech/why-is-the-drop-out-rate-so-low-in-switzerland/47599820 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/sci-tech/why-is-the-drop-out-ra... > “The decrease in NEET is most visible among women, whose NEET rate decreases from 9.6% to 5.9% [during this time], while it remains stable among men (2010: 6.7%; 2020: 6.6%),” > Among the reasons why Switzerland fares so well compared to other European countries is its good public education system, and excellent vocational training – its dual track apprenticeships (which combine training and vocational school) are chosen by two thirds of young people. > A look at the table also confirms low NEET rates in other countries with strong apprenticeship systems like Austria and Germany.
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082349872349872 2y ago
might FT have picked this country set to confirm the title? according to https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/en/topic/neets https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/en/topic/neets : > The NEETs rate for young women aged 15–29 in the EU stood at 15.5% in 2020 and remains higher at 12.5% in 2023 than the rate of 10.1% for young men. The share is higher for young women in almost all Member States. and globally, https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/number-youth-not-employment-education-or-training-neet-cause-concern https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/number-youth-not-employmen... : > ...the global youth NEET rate of young women doubled that of young men (at 28.1 per cent and 13.1 per cent, respectively) in 2023.
- gradschoolfail 2y ago
  For some time niow, been noticing that FT are trying harder to subvert the guys who own the country harder than the guys who think they ought to run the country (grauniad) themselves? (In another thread. seem to be selectively highlighting VC data from china to fit their agenda) Btw, Acemoglu et al seem to be cited by the CI Jones review of Romer. And here is what im trying to steer towards a specification of designori: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13529578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13529578 (P21-3) P23: >[the founder] starts hiring [capital/managing upwards] today >Disclaimer: This paper should not be reported as representing the views of the European Central Bank (But should it be interpreted likeso?) My understanding of AirBnB may be dated to last decade when they hired some of my classmates as interns.. afai understand it, there might have been a slight chance of them getting indigestion from Design_thinking#Applications stanfordian d.school sophistry (the place where stans foorth) Exercise: where are the engineers in the AAPL diag you linked? (Think RAND & Systems Thinking updated for the age of quasi-Aquarius, it relatedly amusing how systems engineers are lowest status in CS depts.. below graphics!! human capital destruction yo) Edit: perhaps you can try to explain to me how RAND has been conflated in my mind with Stanford :) Olivier Nomellini senior fellow lol
  - gradschoolfail 2y ago
    Ilya Prigogine (1980) has identified situations in which systems far from equilibrium can exhibit stable behavior;[40] once a Lyapunov function has been identified, future and past can be distinguished, and scientific activity can begin [39]: 212–213 Designer-driven eutykhopoiesis!
dwaltrip 2y ago
Ezra Klein: The men - and boys - are not alright https://open.spotify.com/episode/1H1khmaQynRdMtCvxenW9J?si=NGTnupUFSBGpR7um0AwTog https://open.spotify.com/episode/1H1khmaQynRdMtCvxenW9J?si=N...
bankcust08385 2y ago
This zombie trope gets temporarily beaten to death in the media as a wedge issue every few months. Schools are sucking more and more selectively by demographic and generally for average Western pupils. Most people who read HN likely had or have access to private and excellent public college-prep schools. If not, then perhaps we need to steal ideas of French and Finnish schools, pay teachers more, and perhaps get boys to play outside, exercise, and socialize more.

32 points by johntfella 2y ago

falcor84 2y ago

https://archive.ph/fNpSR https://archive.ph/fNpSR

Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
thanks a lot!

486sx33 2y ago

My wife has significantly more education in academia than me. I make a lot more money. Should education be tied to financial compensation? In a free market, no. In communism? Probably. Not everyone who is intelligent excels at academia. Which is better? Arguments either way. Which makes a stronger country? A free market.

bankcust08385 2y ago
There is a book about how women had better orgasms under Communism in the GDPR. While the premise seems far-fetched, it kind of makes sense and is inconvenient for adherents of the prevailing anarcho-capitalist worldview. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Women_Have_Better_Sex_Under_Socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Women_Have_Better_Sex_Unde...

TacticalCoder 2y ago

Random anecdata: when I was dating a doctor back in the days, 71% of her class were women too (Belgium, city of Brussels, a good university [the one were FOSDEM takes place yearly btw]). Nowadays most of my doctors are women (another country but my GP, dermatologist, urologist [!], etc. are all women). On the other hand there are some types of work for which women seems to have very little interest in: for example I have never seen a documentary showing a saturation diver / underwater welder fixing pipelines where the person was a woman (nor a woman identifying as a man FWIW). There may be some but I take it it's 99%+ men. Reality check.

readthenotes1 2y ago
There are more mid-student women than men as well in the United States
defrost 2y ago
It's not that woman can't or won't dive * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ama_(diving) * https://www.diveoclock.com/destinations/Asia/South_Korea/Haenyeo/ https://www.diveoclock.com/destinations/Asia/South_Korea/Hae... more the male dominated dick swinging can't escape nature of hours in close quarter pressurisation tanks. The fairly strong (not universal by country) preference for already trained navy divers also served to keep women out of such work; these days you'll find women operating ROV's on deep sea operations.

082349872349872 2y ago

The "Simpsons Go Calypso" predicted this in 1991? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93COkUCwqSw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93COkUCwqSw

Terr_ 2y ago
Nah, they're voicing a real song from the 1930s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Smart_(Woman_Smarter) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Smart_(Woman_Smarter)
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- smegsicle 2y ago
  sentiment from 1905: "it pleases the bohemians to say that women are equal to men, but infuriates them to say that men are equal to women" though a hundred years later the bohemian has begun to relax on the latter point
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    wonder what the bien-pensants would've made of "Man Smart, Critter Smarter": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HkS3Wrf0k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HkS3Wrf0k ? (Chekov's factory was apparently foreshadowed during the previous appearance of the Prairie Dogs)

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mattlondon 2y ago

There are A LOT of female-only (or identifies as female) things (free STEM classes/camps, apprenticeships/internships, talks, events at museums, trips etc etc) for girls/young-women in the UK. Even at work there are female-only networking and career development and placement and mentorship things. Boys/men are not invited and are explicitly not welcome to attend. Is it any wonder that all of this is leading to more opportunities and more success for women? Not sure why people are surprised that positive discrimination is having the intended effect I am not saying it is wrong, but it was obvious that consistently giving special treatment and opportunities to one group while actively blocking access for another group would lead to outcomes that the other group would not benefit from when this all started a decade or two ago. I know "equality" is now a banned word and is on the naughty list, but whatever happened to equity for young school-age boys and men? It is not the fault of a 5 year old that historically men have had things better, yet they are now being actively sidelined and actively denied opportunities due to the sins of the historical patriarchy. Somehow I doubt we'll see "boys only" extra-classes and events etc at schools any time soon though.

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happytoexplain 2y ago
One nitpick: It is not the fault of anybody that any of their intrinsic member groups (e.g. race, gender) have historically been advantaged, regardless of age (until they decide to explicitly fight for that bias). I not only agree that doing this kind of social bias correction based on symptom addressal has eventual negative effects on others, I think holistically it's a net negative. Human nature makes this an almost impossible argument to present, but I really think it's just as damaging to actively disadvantage individuals for their intrinsic membership in a historically advantaged group as it is to passively disadvantage individuals for their intrinsic membership in a historically disadvantaged group.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  I mostly agree with you. And yet... Let's say you have one group that is being left behind because of lack of social capital. (I think that's a decent term to describe the issue.) You don't want to discriminate against the other group, because that's unjust and has negative effects. But if you don't do something to boost the "under" group, they're going to continue to be the under group, the group without adequate social capital. You say "don't reverse discriminate", and I think I agree. But then... what? What should we do?

close04 2y ago

I tried to look for an explanation for this phenomenon in the article but couldn't find a clear one. What's the reason for this? Are women working so much harder? Are they intrinsically smarter more capable? Is this overcompensation from society trying to fix the pervasive discrimination from the past and forgetting the boys and young men, leaving them behind? Are men trying to "ride the wave" of advantages some may have had in the past without realizing there's no wave? The result is easy to guess. It's what tends to happen to groups who feel ignored, forgotten, that their needs are not addressed in any way while others' needs are. The disillusioned flock to populist and extremist groups with the reasoning/hope that if the current power forgot about them, the opposite of the current power will help them. Or they will resort to violence against the ones they think are getting the unfair attention. For whoever didn't learn from history, extremism of any kind ruins the cake for everyone.

28304283409234 2y ago
So many theories. I tend to think it has something to do with the decades of men shunning educational professions. All the teachers are women, hence the teaching methods and school organizations are unwittingly gender-biased towards what works for women. As well as just the simple fact that the authority and rolemodel in front of the classroom is a woman, so girls get to look up to those and identify with authority, smarts, learning, teaching. While boys, well... Brawl Stars. So, yeah, that. And internet porn.
- atmavatar 2y ago
  It doesn't help that there's a strong social stigma that males attempting to interact with young children in any fashion must be pedophiles, and teaching is not exempt from this.
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  In the US, "on average", a certain group of adult women are significantly more aggressive than adult men, and this really ruins the show. I don't mean merely assertive which is fine. Looking back at all the women I have dated, the few non-aggressive ones were gems. No men would want a relationship with the aggressive women with their egregious levels of hate. I do think that the system of education is to blame for putting society out of balance.

schmorptron 2y ago

I think any interpretation of this phenomenon that doesn't include the phrase "it depends" is doing it injustice. We're now in the first time where the implicit (and explicit) bias against women in education, especially in STEM, is decreasing (but not gone!) and the way girls are socialized compared to boys (and maybe even some developmental differences and movement requirements?) in general seems to make them better prepared for proper studying and learning at schools. There's a discussion to be had if schools and universities are failing boys and men, and I think that might be part of it. If there are innate gender differences, and that I'm not sure of, the solution cannot be adjusting the schools to boys' needs again if it is at the expense of girls' results again. I think the most important takeaway in this has to be: What do boys and men need in order to get to that same level, and how can we best provide it? This might be one of the things that can actually be accurately blamed on old-age patriarchial norms and their second and third-order effects. As a man who's currently in uni, this has sometimes been a hard truth, because knowing that I might've had it easier than others makes it pretty hard to feel accomplished, and makes it feel even worse when you fail at something or courses even though you should have the "preferred" profile for it, and that is something that feels like patriarchial (in the powerful-man instead of all men way) thinking being perpetuated and subconciously being harmful. There are lots of female empowerment programs nowadays, and while they might seem exclusionary, especially when there doesn't exist an all-gender pendant, I still see them as a net positive, simply because there is still too much social stigma towards women in STEM (that we in our bubble might not even notice) that that clear messaging of "YOU are wanted here" is incredibly helpful. I like the ending thought in the article that this doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. Is anyone here more well versed in the topic? I feel like I skipped some steps in my reasoning and can't articulate why

benterix 2y ago
> There's a discussion to be had if schools and universities are failing boys and men "If"??? That phenomenon started a long time ago and the society as a whole is suffering because of that. > how the current education system places boys at a disadvantage; why boys raised in poverty are less likely than girls to escape it; the fact that female students are twice as likely to study abroad and serve in the Peace Corps as their male peers; Reeves’s policy proposal to have boys start school a year later than girls[0] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-richard-reeves.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...

ackermavilla 2y ago

It is evolutionary. Who wants to put children in this world? It is not only the high cost of everything and relative job insecurity, it is also environmental issues and risks of war, etc., that makes many women not to want children. Then the next step is, not to want to be too associated with men. Then the next step is, to remain amongst themselves. It's the evolution, stupid.

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readthenotes1 2y ago

Boys: Bart and Homer Simpson. Girls: Lisa and Marge There are a lot of young men these days you seem to be sucked into the dopamine of video games that doesn't seem to attract young women as much

bankcust08385 2y ago
See also: Man, Interrupted and Man (Dis)conneted by Philip Zimbardo. Also, a TED talk on the subject.

082349872349872 2y ago

I haven't quickly found more recent numbers, but switzerland had a good experience from 2010-2020, and the following article claims the apprenticeship system helps: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/sci-tech/why-is-the-drop-out-rate-so-low-in-switzerland/47599820 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/sci-tech/why-is-the-drop-out-ra... > “The decrease in NEET is most visible among women, whose NEET rate decreases from 9.6% to 5.9% [during this time], while it remains stable among men (2010: 6.7%; 2020: 6.6%),” > Among the reasons why Switzerland fares so well compared to other European countries is its good public education system, and excellent vocational training – its dual track apprenticeships (which combine training and vocational school) are chosen by two thirds of young people. > A look at the table also confirms low NEET rates in other countries with strong apprenticeship systems like Austria and Germany.

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082349872349872 2y ago

might FT have picked this country set to confirm the title? according to https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/en/topic/neets https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/en/topic/neets : > The NEETs rate for young women aged 15–29 in the EU stood at 15.5% in 2020 and remains higher at 12.5% in 2023 than the rate of 10.1% for young men. The share is higher for young women in almost all Member States. and globally, https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/number-youth-not-employment-education-or-training-neet-cause-concern https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/number-youth-not-employmen... : > ...the global youth NEET rate of young women doubled that of young men (at 28.1 per cent and 13.1 per cent, respectively) in 2023.

gradschoolfail 2y ago
For some time niow, been noticing that FT are trying harder to subvert the guys who own the country harder than the guys who think they ought to run the country (grauniad) themselves? (In another thread. seem to be selectively highlighting VC data from china to fit their agenda) Btw, Acemoglu et al seem to be cited by the CI Jones review of Romer. And here is what im trying to steer towards a specification of designori: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13529578 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13529578 (P21-3) P23: >[the founder] starts hiring [capital/managing upwards] today >Disclaimer: This paper should not be reported as representing the views of the European Central Bank (But should it be interpreted likeso?) My understanding of AirBnB may be dated to last decade when they hired some of my classmates as interns.. afai understand it, there might have been a slight chance of them getting indigestion from Design_thinking#Applications stanfordian d.school sophistry (the place where stans foorth) Exercise: where are the engineers in the AAPL diag you linked? (Think RAND & Systems Thinking updated for the age of quasi-Aquarius, it relatedly amusing how systems engineers are lowest status in CS depts.. below graphics!! human capital destruction yo) Edit: perhaps you can try to explain to me how RAND has been conflated in my mind with Stanford :) Olivier Nomellini senior fellow lol
- gradschoolfail 2y ago
  Ilya Prigogine (1980) has identified situations in which systems far from equilibrium can exhibit stable behavior;[40] once a Lyapunov function has been identified, future and past can be distinguished, and scientific activity can begin [39]: 212–213 Designer-driven eutykhopoiesis!

dwaltrip 2y ago

Ezra Klein: The men - and boys - are not alright https://open.spotify.com/episode/1H1khmaQynRdMtCvxenW9J?si=NGTnupUFSBGpR7um0AwTog https://open.spotify.com/episode/1H1khmaQynRdMtCvxenW9J?si=N...

bankcust08385 2y ago

This zombie trope gets temporarily beaten to death in the media as a wedge issue every few months. Schools are sucking more and more selectively by demographic and generally for average Western pupils. Most people who read HN likely had or have access to private and excellent public college-prep schools. If not, then perhaps we need to steal ideas of French and Finnish schools, pay teachers more, and perhaps get boys to play outside, exercise, and socialize more.