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This can probably be used to de-stealth US stealth aircraft: https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/17/china_starlink_stealth/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/

by atoav 2y ago

This can probably be used to de-stealth US stealth aircraft: https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/17/china_starlink_stealth/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/17/china_starlink_stealt...

InDubioProRubio 2y ago
Passive Radar is grateful for all senders
worstspotgain 2y ago
Musk enterprises are to Western economies as Gold Apollo is to Hezbollah.
- xyzsparetimexyz 2y ago
  What?
  - rapsey 2y ago
    Beeper manufacturer.
Sakos 2y ago
Yeah, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. They've managed to do it with a drone, they haven't shown it's possible with stealth jets. It might be possible, it's not a "probably".
est 2y ago
Starlink can provide direct LTE communication without the ground station, so technically, all mobile phone signal can be tracked, everyone's location on earth are traced by Starlink.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> can probably be used to de-stealth US stealth aircraft As the subtitle says, the fact that Beijing would disclose this almost guarantees it's false. De-cloaking U.S. stealth fighters would be a singular game changer in the battles for Taiwan.
- InsomniacL 2y ago
  Not disclosing this only really benefits them if it's a viable means of detection and they expect to use it in anger one day. (viable in the sense that it's no use if it only works when a stealth plane blocks line of sight between ground detector and satellite) By disclosing it, they reduced confidence in the military of multiple adversaries in the public eye and potentially caused them to spend to money to investigate/fix.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > if it's a viable means of detection Right, it’s not. > and they expect to use it in anger one day If defending yourself against U.S. airstrikes is anger, I guess I’ll be glad if Beijing never gets angry. > caused them to spend to money to investigate/fix Yes, the famously budget-constrained U.S. military really hates it when adversaries release their intelligence on our weapons.
maxglute 2y ago
Germany also recently claims passive radar (SABBIA) using starlink signals to detect small drones, which has roughly RCS of stealth fighters. IIRC there were folks exploing starlink transimissions as bi/multistatic illumination source since 2020. Along similiar concept of using cell phone towers to detect stealth back in 2000s, which I haven't really see popsci junk publications talking since, which either means it's very fake, or imo, more likely very real. Chinese also explored similar in 2000s - Sparse-array synthetic impulse and aperture radar (SIAR) using multiple illuminators, seems pretty credible that megaconstellation is going to be illuminators going forward. Either way, no one expected VLS advantage to last forever, even in F117 days.
- maxglute 2y ago
  E: VLO

by atoav 2y ago

This can probably be used to de-stealth US stealth aircraft: https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/17/china_starlink_stealth/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/17/china_starlink_stealt...

InDubioProRubio 2y ago

Passive Radar is grateful for all senders

worstspotgain 2y ago

Musk enterprises are to Western economies as Gold Apollo is to Hezbollah.

xyzsparetimexyz 2y ago
What?
- rapsey 2y ago
  Beeper manufacturer.

Sakos 2y ago

Yeah, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. They've managed to do it with a drone, they haven't shown it's possible with stealth jets. It might be possible, it's not a "probably".

est 2y ago

Starlink can provide direct LTE communication without the ground station, so technically, all mobile phone signal can be tracked, everyone's location on earth are traced by Starlink.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> can probably be used to de-stealth US stealth aircraft As the subtitle says, the fact that Beijing would disclose this almost guarantees it's false. De-cloaking U.S. stealth fighters would be a singular game changer in the battles for Taiwan.

InsomniacL 2y ago
Not disclosing this only really benefits them if it's a viable means of detection and they expect to use it in anger one day. (viable in the sense that it's no use if it only works when a stealth plane blocks line of sight between ground detector and satellite) By disclosing it, they reduced confidence in the military of multiple adversaries in the public eye and potentially caused them to spend to money to investigate/fix.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > if it's a viable means of detection Right, it’s not. > and they expect to use it in anger one day If defending yourself against U.S. airstrikes is anger, I guess I’ll be glad if Beijing never gets angry. > caused them to spend to money to investigate/fix Yes, the famously budget-constrained U.S. military really hates it when adversaries release their intelligence on our weapons.

maxglute 2y ago

Germany also recently claims passive radar (SABBIA) using starlink signals to detect small drones, which has roughly RCS of stealth fighters. IIRC there were folks exploing starlink transimissions as bi/multistatic illumination source since 2020. Along similiar concept of using cell phone towers to detect stealth back in 2000s, which I haven't really see popsci junk publications talking since, which either means it's very fake, or imo, more likely very real. Chinese also explored similar in 2000s - Sparse-array synthetic impulse and aperture radar (SIAR) using multiple illuminators, seems pretty credible that megaconstellation is going to be illuminators going forward. Either way, no one expected VLS advantage to last forever, even in F117 days.

maxglute 2y ago
E: VLO