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Thank god they went with a standard this time. When they launched HEIC, there wasn’t a single workable open source decoder. Hell, there wasn’t even a single non

Thank god they went with a standard this time. When they launched HEIC, there wasn’t a single workable open source decoder. Hell, there wasn’t even a single non-Apple decoder. XL color depth looks amazing.

rgovostes 2y ago
An annoying oversight is that while my Fujifilm camera is modern enough to shoot HEIF+RAW, Apple Photos only knows to group JPEG+RAW as a single photo. Because Apple did not spend a day of engineering time bringing feature parity for the file format they themselves promoted, it has turned into a bigger feature to match and merge the HEIF and RAW assets after the fact. After several years, I'm growing doubtful they'll ever accomplish it. I have yet to see whether they did it right with JXL+RAW (or is it DNG+RAW?) but hopefully they will before it becomes available in mainstream cameras.
- lonjil 2y ago
  Apple's ProRAW format is Linear DNG, that is to say, already debayered, not what most people would call "raw". Previously they've used Lossless JPEG for compression inside these DNG files, but now they use JXL. The DNG spec also allows for using JXL to compress proper raws, but I don't know if anyone is doing this yet. I know Samsung uses JXL compression in DNGs produced by their phones, but I haven't checked if those are proper raws or debayered.
masklinn 2y ago
Thank god they went with a standard because when they went with a standard it wasn’t widespread? What?
happyopossum 2y ago
HEIC is a standard too - it wasn’t a secret internal Apple project…
- zenexer 2y ago
  It might be a standard, but for a long time the licensing costs were exorbitant, and that likely stifled adoption. While licensing costs have come down, the pushback against HEIC’s pricing led to the development of better, royalty-free alternatives—including JPEG XL. Thank god they went with an unencumbered standard this time.
  - gambiting 2y ago
    Windows showing you a popup saying you need to buy a £0.79 windows add on to just open photos taken with an iPhone was always unbelievable. Like some kind of malware or something.
    - throwaway17_17 2y ago
      In what context was thisnprompt appearing. I can not think of a time I have ever struggled to be able to open a photo from my iPhone in any of the apps I commonly use. Is this a Windows application issue or an OS issue, and how were the photos coming to your machine? Just to clarify, this is an honest question not sarcasm.
      - swiftcoder 2y ago
        If you directly download the HEIC photos to your windows PC. The iPhone tends to convert to jpeg whenever you email/whatsapp/etc a photo, so it's only direct file import that nets the original HEIC file.
        gambiting 2y ago
        Exactly, I'd upload a bunch of photos to Google Drive to download to my PC, Google Drive could open them fine, but the default windows photo viewer app would demand payment to open them.
        astrange 2y ago

rgovostes 2y ago

An annoying oversight is that while my Fujifilm camera is modern enough to shoot HEIF+RAW, Apple Photos only knows to group JPEG+RAW as a single photo. Because Apple did not spend a day of engineering time bringing feature parity for the file format they themselves promoted, it has turned into a bigger feature to match and merge the HEIF and RAW assets after the fact. After several years, I'm growing doubtful they'll ever accomplish it. I have yet to see whether they did it right with JXL+RAW (or is it DNG+RAW?) but hopefully they will before it becomes available in mainstream cameras.

lonjil 2y ago
Apple's ProRAW format is Linear DNG, that is to say, already debayered, not what most people would call "raw". Previously they've used Lossless JPEG for compression inside these DNG files, but now they use JXL. The DNG spec also allows for using JXL to compress proper raws, but I don't know if anyone is doing this yet. I know Samsung uses JXL compression in DNGs produced by their phones, but I haven't checked if those are proper raws or debayered.

masklinn 2y ago

Thank god they went with a standard because when they went with a standard it wasn’t widespread? What?

happyopossum 2y ago

HEIC is a standard too - it wasn’t a secret internal Apple project…

zenexer 2y ago
It might be a standard, but for a long time the licensing costs were exorbitant, and that likely stifled adoption. While licensing costs have come down, the pushback against HEIC’s pricing led to the development of better, royalty-free alternatives—including JPEG XL. Thank god they went with an unencumbered standard this time.
- gambiting 2y ago
  Windows showing you a popup saying you need to buy a £0.79 windows add on to just open photos taken with an iPhone was always unbelievable. Like some kind of malware or something.
  - throwaway17_17 2y ago
    In what context was thisnprompt appearing. I can not think of a time I have ever struggled to be able to open a photo from my iPhone in any of the apps I commonly use. Is this a Windows application issue or an OS issue, and how were the photos coming to your machine? Just to clarify, this is an honest question not sarcasm.
    - swiftcoder 2y ago
      If you directly download the HEIC photos to your windows PC. The iPhone tends to convert to jpeg whenever you email/whatsapp/etc a photo, so it's only direct file import that nets the original HEIC file.
      - gambiting 2y ago
        Exactly, I'd upload a bunch of photos to Google Drive to download to my PC, Google Drive could open them fine, but the default windows photo viewer app would demand payment to open them.
        astrange 2y ago