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Don't tell the guy who paid $70k for icons about this!

by ArcaneMoose 2y ago

below43 2y ago
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spoonfeeder006 2y ago
And don't tell them about the browser inspector nor how to copy SVG code using that
- bryanrasmussen 2y ago
  I didn't want to tell you, but there is a thing called copyright. That said, if you copy SVG it is often easy to change the paths etc. and make it "yours". I guess I'd rather pay a small bit though.
  - Culonavirus 2y ago
    > a thing called copyright All the chatbot corps out there: And I took that personally.
Brajeshwar 2y ago
What is the story? URL to read? (Search resulted in another CEO's $70K salary thing.) Is this like Pepsi’s Million Dollar logo redesign?
- ec109685 2y ago
  It’s quite the saga, including the designer putting in their portfolio that they actually completed the project as they were ghosting their client: https://x.com/Shpigford/status/1807802947394588842 https://x.com/Shpigford/status/1807802947394588842
  - spoonfeeder006 2y ago
    So what, he was asking the designer to re-create already existing icons? Or brand new icons for each stock? Thats insanely fucked up either way of the designer leading them on like that or to ultimately cheat someone
    - cyral 2y ago
      Re-create existing icons, since a lot of these icon packs are not very standardized (e.g. some icons are full logos, some are actual icons, some have borders, some have backgrounds, etc). Here is a good tweet from another company on why they made their own logos: https://mobile.x.com/tcosta_co/status/1808174493170344345 https://mobile.x.com/tcosta_co/status/1808174493170344345
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    $5.00/image. The math on that is absurd unless the artist is cranking what, 20 images an hour? Feels like they thought they had an edge, probably an LLM, and it didn’t work out. Also feels like it took $70k to generate 14,000 requirements, or the SOW is actually shit and this is all a disaster. Disclaimer: I don’t read twitter, if all this was spelled out in the link I apologize
    - spoonfeeder006 2y ago
      If you already starting from an existing set from publicly available sources, and you just need to standardize them amongst each other for consistency, then I can see how that would be kinda reasonable, though I'm no designer myself perhaps things like giving them a consistent center or consistent brightness/contrast could be done programmatically as well, and maybe there are end user tools to do those things en masse other tweaks such as selecting between subtle variations found in each icon, or adding some artistic modification, shadow mimicking, etc... can possibly be done, to align the set to a certain pre-defined theme now that I think about it more seems like a pretty interesting kinda project actually > Arts, crafts and sciences uplift the world of being and are conducive to its exaltation ~Baha'u'llah the designer who chose to instead run with the money probably got insecure or bored, but they would probably be happier if they learned to appreciate the creative process more
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shahzaibmushtaq 2y ago
The guy who paid $70k to convert 14000 existing icons/logos to SVG for commercial use because he wanted to use these icons according to his product standards. All existing SVGs icons are for personal and study purposes, that's why he spent so much amount out of good faith, moral compliance and professional courtesy. Moreover, this website has 3198 icons and what about the remaining icons as per his specifications? One very important thing to note here is that these SVG icons come with the GNU Affero General Public License meaning you must allow users to download the source code no matter whether it's modified or not.
- taskforcegemini 2y ago
  can svg even be "not open source"?
  - PaulRobinson 2y ago
    SVG the standard, no. SVG icons, absolutely. In the same way Python is open source, but I can write software using Python that is not open source.
    - druskacik 2y ago
      But if you use it on the web, it becomes "open-source" - not by license, but for all practical purposes. Or am I wrong?
      - albert_e 2y ago
        maybe if those SVGs are only used as assets inside an iOS/Android app but not on a webpage accessible via browser ....
      - pestaa 2y ago
        Open source is a category of licenses. What you mean is that it is plaintext, and can be introspected. Great for many practical purposes, yes, but in business context, you are obligated to honor the actual license.

Don't tell the guy who paid $70k for icons about this!

below43 2y ago

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spoonfeeder006 2y ago

And don't tell them about the browser inspector nor how to copy SVG code using that

bryanrasmussen 2y ago
I didn't want to tell you, but there is a thing called copyright. That said, if you copy SVG it is often easy to change the paths etc. and make it "yours". I guess I'd rather pay a small bit though.
- Culonavirus 2y ago
  > a thing called copyright All the chatbot corps out there: And I took that personally.

Brajeshwar 2y ago

What is the story? URL to read? (Search resulted in another CEO's $70K salary thing.) Is this like Pepsi’s Million Dollar logo redesign?

ec109685 2y ago
It’s quite the saga, including the designer putting in their portfolio that they actually completed the project as they were ghosting their client: https://x.com/Shpigford/status/1807802947394588842 https://x.com/Shpigford/status/1807802947394588842
- spoonfeeder006 2y ago
  So what, he was asking the designer to re-create already existing icons? Or brand new icons for each stock? Thats insanely fucked up either way of the designer leading them on like that or to ultimately cheat someone
  - cyral 2y ago
    Re-create existing icons, since a lot of these icon packs are not very standardized (e.g. some icons are full logos, some are actual icons, some have borders, some have backgrounds, etc). Here is a good tweet from another company on why they made their own logos: https://mobile.x.com/tcosta_co/status/1808174493170344345 https://mobile.x.com/tcosta_co/status/1808174493170344345
- dgfitz 2y ago
  $5.00/image. The math on that is absurd unless the artist is cranking what, 20 images an hour? Feels like they thought they had an edge, probably an LLM, and it didn’t work out. Also feels like it took $70k to generate 14,000 requirements, or the SOW is actually shit and this is all a disaster. Disclaimer: I don’t read twitter, if all this was spelled out in the link I apologize
  - spoonfeeder006 2y ago
    If you already starting from an existing set from publicly available sources, and you just need to standardize them amongst each other for consistency, then I can see how that would be kinda reasonable, though I'm no designer myself perhaps things like giving them a consistent center or consistent brightness/contrast could be done programmatically as well, and maybe there are end user tools to do those things en masse other tweaks such as selecting between subtle variations found in each icon, or adding some artistic modification, shadow mimicking, etc... can possibly be done, to align the set to a certain pre-defined theme now that I think about it more seems like a pretty interesting kinda project actually > Arts, crafts and sciences uplift the world of being and are conducive to its exaltation ~Baha'u'llah the designer who chose to instead run with the money probably got insecure or bored, but they would probably be happier if they learned to appreciate the creative process more
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shahzaibmushtaq 2y ago

The guy who paid $70k to convert 14000 existing icons/logos to SVG for commercial use because he wanted to use these icons according to his product standards. All existing SVGs icons are for personal and study purposes, that's why he spent so much amount out of good faith, moral compliance and professional courtesy. Moreover, this website has 3198 icons and what about the remaining icons as per his specifications? One very important thing to note here is that these SVG icons come with the GNU Affero General Public License meaning you must allow users to download the source code no matter whether it's modified or not.

taskforcegemini 2y ago
can svg even be "not open source"?
- PaulRobinson 2y ago
  SVG the standard, no. SVG icons, absolutely. In the same way Python is open source, but I can write software using Python that is not open source.
  - druskacik 2y ago
    But if you use it on the web, it becomes "open-source" - not by license, but for all practical purposes. Or am I wrong?
    - albert_e 2y ago
      maybe if those SVGs are only used as assets inside an iOS/Android app but not on a webpage accessible via browser ....
    - pestaa 2y ago
      Open source is a category of licenses. What you mean is that it is plaintext, and can be introspected. Great for many practical purposes, yes, but in business context, you are obligated to honor the actual license.