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That's not my impression. Some time ago, I tried to sort out why there was conflict in Gaza and there's a complex history going back at least a thousand years.

That's not my impression. Some time ago, I tried to sort out why there was conflict in Gaza and there's a complex history going back at least a thousand years. Saying conflict between Israel and Lebanon is wholly unrelated to conflict between Israel and Gaza is like saying stuff happening in the US state of Georgia has nothing to do with its neighbor Alabama. I'm failing to readily find an online blurb that supports my understanding. But that detail fails to convince me my understanding is wholly in error.

luuurker 2y ago
I wouldn't say that currently there's a conflict between Israel and Lebanon, but Hezbollah is in Lebanon and has a lot of power there. They've been launching rockets at Israel and Israel has been killing their higher ups and targetting their ammo. Depending on how you look at this, you can even call it a proxy war as Hezbollah is supported by Iran. Curiously (or not), one of those injured by the pagers blowing up was the Iranian ambassador... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-ambassador-lebanon-injured-by-pager-explosion-2024-09-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-ambassador-l...
- DoreenMichele 2y ago
  I'm not the one who brought up Lebanon as a proxy for Hezbollah. I'm just attempting to reply as best I can in a good faith fashion knowing that's not how most people are trying to reply. Most people on the Internet are looking to win an argument, not engage in discussion. I appreciate your comment as it adds information rather than picking a fight, but I'm somewhat inclined to step away from this nonsense at this point.
dotancohen 2y ago
That complex history goes back to the 7th century. Feel free to ask me anything about it - I'm not an expert but I've spent the past year and a half learning Arabic language and learning both their and our own history here. I'll try to give you as balanced an answer as I can. You are right - the conflict in Lebanon is related to the conflict in Gaza. That is because despite efforts to frame the conflict as "Israel against 2 million poor Palestinians" the real conflict is "2 billion Muslims against Israel". Every time we have a conflict with one of them, the others jump in to attack us. What's worse, they deliberately keep the Palestinians impoverished and suffering to fester conflict - they say this blatantly. The Palestinian cause is not about creating a state to care for the Palestinian people. The Palestinian cause is about creating an Islamic state to displace the Jewish state, and the Palestinian people are the tool to use to pressure the Jewish state and other interested states. They say this clearly - both the Palestinians and the other Arab nations. But that line is so different from Western line of thinking that I know you find it incredible. I implore you to simply read what they themselves say.
- DoreenMichele 2y ago
  (Assuming your take is correct) Well perhaps if Israel would try to help Palestine care for its people, Palestine would be less willing to be used as a tool for Jewish oppression by other Muslim nations. At the moment, they are in horrendous crisis, the most obvious and immediate cause of that is Israel and Israel is effectively cooperating with the (according to you) Islamic agenda of painting them as the bad guy so they have a good excuse to exterminate them. I'm an environmental studies major. I've read for years that our next wars will be fought over water. It looks to me like that's what we are seeing in Gaza. Water is life. You can't survive without it. Politics aside, if Gaza can't get adequate water to survive, well, most organisms have a survival instinct and will fight like a cornered rat when given no viable means to survive while playing nice with their neighbors.

luuurker 2y ago

I wouldn't say that currently there's a conflict between Israel and Lebanon, but Hezbollah is in Lebanon and has a lot of power there. They've been launching rockets at Israel and Israel has been killing their higher ups and targetting their ammo. Depending on how you look at this, you can even call it a proxy war as Hezbollah is supported by Iran. Curiously (or not), one of those injured by the pagers blowing up was the Iranian ambassador... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-ambassador-lebanon-injured-by-pager-explosion-2024-09-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-ambassador-l...

DoreenMichele 2y ago
I'm not the one who brought up Lebanon as a proxy for Hezbollah. I'm just attempting to reply as best I can in a good faith fashion knowing that's not how most people are trying to reply. Most people on the Internet are looking to win an argument, not engage in discussion. I appreciate your comment as it adds information rather than picking a fight, but I'm somewhat inclined to step away from this nonsense at this point.

dotancohen 2y ago

That complex history goes back to the 7th century. Feel free to ask me anything about it - I'm not an expert but I've spent the past year and a half learning Arabic language and learning both their and our own history here. I'll try to give you as balanced an answer as I can. You are right - the conflict in Lebanon is related to the conflict in Gaza. That is because despite efforts to frame the conflict as "Israel against 2 million poor Palestinians" the real conflict is "2 billion Muslims against Israel". Every time we have a conflict with one of them, the others jump in to attack us. What's worse, they deliberately keep the Palestinians impoverished and suffering to fester conflict - they say this blatantly. The Palestinian cause is not about creating a state to care for the Palestinian people. The Palestinian cause is about creating an Islamic state to displace the Jewish state, and the Palestinian people are the tool to use to pressure the Jewish state and other interested states. They say this clearly - both the Palestinians and the other Arab nations. But that line is so different from Western line of thinking that I know you find it incredible. I implore you to simply read what they themselves say.

DoreenMichele 2y ago
(Assuming your take is correct) Well perhaps if Israel would try to help Palestine care for its people, Palestine would be less willing to be used as a tool for Jewish oppression by other Muslim nations. At the moment, they are in horrendous crisis, the most obvious and immediate cause of that is Israel and Israel is effectively cooperating with the (according to you) Islamic agenda of painting them as the bad guy so they have a good excuse to exterminate them. I'm an environmental studies major. I've read for years that our next wars will be fought over water. It looks to me like that's what we are seeing in Gaza. Water is life. You can't survive without it. Politics aside, if Gaza can't get adequate water to survive, well, most organisms have a survival instinct and will fight like a cornered rat when given no viable means to survive while playing nice with their neighbors.