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Because, surprisingly, terrorists are also people who live around others who aren’t terrorists. A kid died in these attacks and hundreds of other random civili

Because, surprisingly, terrorists are also people who live around others who aren’t terrorists. A kid died in these attacks and hundreds of other random civilians have had life altering injuries because of it.

dotancohen 2y ago
> A kid died in these attacks and hundreds of other random civilians have had life altering injuries because of it. Yes, I address that in my other comments on this thread. The loss of that child is tragic. You'll notice how in threads about Israel, many people comment on the tragic loss of a child and completely ignore the 12+ dead and 3000 injured terrorists. That is a civilian:militant ratio unmatched in any warfare. No other operation in history has caused literally thousands of militant injuries and over a dozen targeted militant deaths at the cost of a single civilian. If this operation prevents another Hezbollah rocket from killing another 12 children playing football, like Hezbollah did two months ago, then the operation was well worth it.
- aaomidi 2y ago
  Do you think that all the injuries were to terrorists? I’m not even counting the death. I’m counting all the injuries that happened with everyone else who was in the vicinity of this terror attack.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    Do you think that all the injuries caused by Hezbollah to Israelis were to soldiers? Are you aware that they murdered 12 Israeli children two months ago? This very targeted attach had probably the highest militant to civilian ratio in the history of warfare. There have been over 3000 injured militants. To a dozen civilians? What will satisfy you? And if you're so concerned about civilian deaths, please show me where you've ever posted concern about Israeli civilian deaths. Or did you forget who started this war with Hezbollah.
    - aaomidi 2y ago
      One side is a terrorist organization. The other side is a self proclaimed most moral army of the world. I’m sorry that I don’t put these both on equal footing. Are you suggesting I should? And yes, history exists. There’s enough blame to be thrown around. Neither side(s) of this conflict have been angels and neither side(s) of this conflict are universally justified in their actions. Based on your commentary, I can’t really find a line you’d say Israel shouldn’t cross. Is there such a line for you? If so what is it and I’m curious why you’d say that’s the line.
      - dotancohen 2y ago
        > One side is a terrorist organization. The other side is a self proclaimed most moral army of the world. I’m sorry that I don’t put these both on equal footing. Are you suggesting I should? Yes, I am suggesting that you judge our enemies by the same standing that you judge Israel. Why hold them to a lower standard? Do you have such disrespect for them?
        aaomidi 2y ago
        Are you asking if I have such disrespect to Hamas and Hezbollah? Yeah? No shit I do? I’m holding Israel to a higher standard because it’s an actual democracy? Did you not answer my question on where you’d draw the line? Can I assume that you don’t have any issues with any military action then?
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  You keep mentioning that other attack but how many children has israel killed in gaza? This line of escalation has no reasonable end, everything is justified using it.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
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    - giraffe_lady 2y ago
      Ah.
    - defrost 2y ago
      This, then, is the crux of an issue. Israel kills 10 in retaliation for every one killed, and much of this traces back to pushing people from their homes and illegal occupation. How will this all end with continual escalation?
      - dotancohen 2y ago
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        aaomidi 2y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israeli-forces-in-gaza-use-civilians-as-human-shields-against-possible-booby-traps https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israel... lol. Every accusation is a confession.
        archagon 2y ago
        A dead child is a dead child: the pain is the same whether they were directly targeted or collateral damage. And you don’t deal with a human shield by just blasting through it, unless the life of the hostage is completely meaningless to you.
jfengel 2y ago
Indeed, that's generally part of the definition of "terrorism". It's deplored because it puts those civilians at risk. Had these guys put on uniforms and tromped out to a battlefield, they'd be dead already. They instead chose a tactic that surrounds them with their own civilians, in the hopes of deterring attacks against them. And that works, to a point. But their opponent is unlikely to tolerate it forever, and will eventually strike even knowing that it will cause civilian damages as well. A just evaluation of the situation would divide blame on both sides, but world opinion is rarely just.

dotancohen 2y ago

> A kid died in these attacks and hundreds of other random civilians have had life altering injuries because of it. Yes, I address that in my other comments on this thread. The loss of that child is tragic. You'll notice how in threads about Israel, many people comment on the tragic loss of a child and completely ignore the 12+ dead and 3000 injured terrorists. That is a civilian:militant ratio unmatched in any warfare. No other operation in history has caused literally thousands of militant injuries and over a dozen targeted militant deaths at the cost of a single civilian. If this operation prevents another Hezbollah rocket from killing another 12 children playing football, like Hezbollah did two months ago, then the operation was well worth it.

aaomidi 2y ago
Do you think that all the injuries were to terrorists? I’m not even counting the death. I’m counting all the injuries that happened with everyone else who was in the vicinity of this terror attack.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  Do you think that all the injuries caused by Hezbollah to Israelis were to soldiers? Are you aware that they murdered 12 Israeli children two months ago? This very targeted attach had probably the highest militant to civilian ratio in the history of warfare. There have been over 3000 injured militants. To a dozen civilians? What will satisfy you? And if you're so concerned about civilian deaths, please show me where you've ever posted concern about Israeli civilian deaths. Or did you forget who started this war with Hezbollah.
  - aaomidi 2y ago
    One side is a terrorist organization. The other side is a self proclaimed most moral army of the world. I’m sorry that I don’t put these both on equal footing. Are you suggesting I should? And yes, history exists. There’s enough blame to be thrown around. Neither side(s) of this conflict have been angels and neither side(s) of this conflict are universally justified in their actions. Based on your commentary, I can’t really find a line you’d say Israel shouldn’t cross. Is there such a line for you? If so what is it and I’m curious why you’d say that’s the line.
    - dotancohen 2y ago
      > One side is a terrorist organization. The other side is a self proclaimed most moral army of the world. I’m sorry that I don’t put these both on equal footing. Are you suggesting I should? Yes, I am suggesting that you judge our enemies by the same standing that you judge Israel. Why hold them to a lower standard? Do you have such disrespect for them?
      - aaomidi 2y ago
        Are you asking if I have such disrespect to Hamas and Hezbollah? Yeah? No shit I do? I’m holding Israel to a higher standard because it’s an actual democracy? Did you not answer my question on where you’d draw the line? Can I assume that you don’t have any issues with any military action then?
giraffe_lady 2y ago
You keep mentioning that other attack but how many children has israel killed in gaza? This line of escalation has no reasonable end, everything is justified using it.
- dotancohen 2y ago
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  - giraffe_lady 2y ago
    Ah.
  - defrost 2y ago
    This, then, is the crux of an issue. Israel kills 10 in retaliation for every one killed, and much of this traces back to pushing people from their homes and illegal occupation. How will this all end with continual escalation?
    - dotancohen 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - aaomidi 2y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israeli-forces-in-gaza-use-civilians-as-human-shields-against-possible-booby-traps https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israel... lol. Every accusation is a confession.
      - archagon 2y ago
        A dead child is a dead child: the pain is the same whether they were directly targeted or collateral damage. And you don’t deal with a human shield by just blasting through it, unless the life of the hostage is completely meaningless to you.

jfengel 2y ago

Indeed, that's generally part of the definition of "terrorism". It's deplored because it puts those civilians at risk. Had these guys put on uniforms and tromped out to a battlefield, they'd be dead already. They instead chose a tactic that surrounds them with their own civilians, in the hopes of deterring attacks against them. And that works, to a point. But their opponent is unlikely to tolerate it forever, and will eventually strike even knowing that it will cause civilian damages as well. A just evaluation of the situation would divide blame on both sides, but world opinion is rarely just.