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Israel controls the water supply in Gaza. They aren't even allowed to collect rain water. It rains something like 2 inches a year there. People collecting rain

Israel controls the water supply in Gaza. They aren't even allowed to collect rain water. It rains something like 2 inches a year there. People collecting rain water someplace with so little rain are likely quite desperate. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occu... I wish there wasn't so much conflict but sometimes the people resorting to violence have been essentially left with no other meaningful solution. People with power can politely ruin your life and murder you and yours and then claim you are the bad guy when you fight back less politely.

BenFranklin100 2y ago
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- WaxProlix 2y ago
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- DoreenMichele 2y ago
  I am opposed to the practice of raping people as a war tactic. And I wish Israel would get its boot off of Gaza's water supply.
  - nec4b 2y ago
    Why don't you wish Hamas would take the billions it got from international help to build desalination plants instead using it to build rockets. Even worse they dug out the water pipes that were gifted to them to use them for rockets.
    - DoreenMichele 2y ago
      Having been a homemaker, among other life experiences, I'm well aware that if you are someone's bitch, no amount of "fixing" things within that prison actually fixes fuck all. It looks to me like Gaza wants water self sufficiency and self determination. I support such goals. Why do you care what I think? I'm a dirt poor blogger and merely a woman in a man's world. All the evidence suggests that absolutely no one listens to me or respects me, so I'm baffled that some people feel so compelled to tell me what opinions I'm allowed to hold and express in public.
      - nec4b 2y ago
        >>Why do you care what I think? Because I want to understand where you are coming from and have a logical argument with you. But now that understand that is not a goal on your side, I don't care anymore.
- lrkrsBlurkn 2y ago
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- joomooru 2y ago
  Raping and killing innocent civilians is an abhorrent crime. So we both agree that what Israel has done in Gaza (40,000 killed) and the systemic rape of Palestinian prisoners is abhorrent as well? What say you, Ben? [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-ham... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#Sexual_abuse_and_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#Sexu...
  - BenFranklin100 2y ago
    Whether your Al Jazeera source is true or not, Doreen was the one who suggested rape and murder is a justifiable means of resistance. What don’t you go ask her?
    - enterprise_cog 2y ago
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ls612 2y ago
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Lebanon.
- DoreenMichele 2y ago
  That's not my impression. Some time ago, I tried to sort out why there was conflict in Gaza and there's a complex history going back at least a thousand years. Saying conflict between Israel and Lebanon is wholly unrelated to conflict between Israel and Gaza is like saying stuff happening in the US state of Georgia has nothing to do with its neighbor Alabama. I'm failing to readily find an online blurb that supports my understanding. But that detail fails to convince me my understanding is wholly in error.
  - luuurker 2y ago
    I wouldn't say that currently there's a conflict between Israel and Lebanon, but Hezbollah is in Lebanon and has a lot of power there. They've been launching rockets at Israel and Israel has been killing their higher ups and targetting their ammo. Depending on how you look at this, you can even call it a proxy war as Hezbollah is supported by Iran. Curiously (or not), one of those injured by the pagers blowing up was the Iranian ambassador... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-ambassador-lebanon-injured-by-pager-explosion-2024-09-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-ambassador-l...
    - DoreenMichele 2y ago
      I'm not the one who brought up Lebanon as a proxy for Hezbollah. I'm just attempting to reply as best I can in a good faith fashion knowing that's not how most people are trying to reply. Most people on the Internet are looking to win an argument, not engage in discussion. I appreciate your comment as it adds information rather than picking a fight, but I'm somewhat inclined to step away from this nonsense at this point.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    That complex history goes back to the 7th century. Feel free to ask me anything about it - I'm not an expert but I've spent the past year and a half learning Arabic language and learning both their and our own history here. I'll try to give you as balanced an answer as I can. You are right - the conflict in Lebanon is related to the conflict in Gaza. That is because despite efforts to frame the conflict as "Israel against 2 million poor Palestinians" the real conflict is "2 billion Muslims against Israel". Every time we have a conflict with one of them, the others jump in to attack us. What's worse, they deliberately keep the Palestinians impoverished and suffering to fester conflict - they say this blatantly. The Palestinian cause is not about creating a state to care for the Palestinian people. The Palestinian cause is about creating an Islamic state to displace the Jewish state, and the Palestinian people are the tool to use to pressure the Jewish state and other interested states. They say this clearly - both the Palestinians and the other Arab nations. But that line is so different from Western line of thinking that I know you find it incredible. I implore you to simply read what they themselves say.
luuurker 2y ago
> I wish there wasn't so much conflict but sometimes the people resorting to violence have been essentially left with no other meaningful solution. They've been trying to kill each other for years, even when they had other solutions and when Israel was the underdog. The difference in power now is huge, but it's always the same story... if some on both sides had their way, the other side would be wiped without a thought.
- jiggawatts 2y ago
  Millenia. They’ve been at this since biblical times. This is an ongoing culture war like Sunni vs Shia or Protestant vs Catholic. The original people involved in the fight are long dead from old age, replaced by generation after generation claiming to be the victim (on both sides, of course). This is why it’s best to stay out of it and watch from a safe distance. There is no right or wrong, good vs evil, victim and oppressor. It’s A vs B, cats vs dogs, my sports team vs your sports team. Israel happens to have the technological edge at the moment, but that’s after a couple of thousand years of being a powerless diaspora victim to oppression and actual genocide. Conversely, their opponents cry victim while we all full well know that if they got the military upper hand they’d do to the Israelis the same or worse. It’s depressing to see this from the outside, watching the long term damage wrought by what amounts to mind viruses. That’s all religions are: particularly addictive memes. Memes that kill hosts to protect themselves from other memes. If you’ve picked a side, you’ve picked a meme you’d like to be infected by. I prefer the vaccine.
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    >This is why it’s best to stay out of it and watch from a safe distance. There is no right or wrong, good vs evil, victim and oppressor. It’s A vs B, cats vs dogs, my sports team vs your sports team. It serves the interests of the US to have a reliable ally in the region. Previously to the US fracking revolution, Middle East oil was very important to the oil supply for US allies. Of course now oil has less geopolitical importance and the US has no great interest in protecting Asian-European trade we'll see how far that partnership will continue.
dotancohen 2y ago
> Israel controls the water supply in Gaza. 1. That is a completely different subject - Beirut is in Lebanon, not Gaza. 2. Israel _supplies_ Gaza with water. So Israel controls the water supply in Gaza just like your own water company supplies you with water. And if you were to walk into the offices of the water company and burn the workers' children to death and murder them and kidnap them, well, don't be surprised if they turn off your water supply.
- DoreenMichele 2y ago
  Israel "supplies" Gaza with water because the source of Wadi Gaza (the Gaza River) happens to be on Israeli land. That's like saying "The US supplies Mexico with water" because the Colorado River originates in the US and the mouth of it is on Mexican soil. Reality: America does all in its power to give as little water as possible to Mexico and the water that reaches the Gulf is a mere trickle, having been largely syphoned off by multiple US states before that point. What I've read indicates Israel controls the water supply to Gaza and uses and abuses that fact in a hostile fashion.
  - oomphoo 2y ago
    I think what the author of the parent post meant was that Israel supplies Gaza with water via water pipes. The river that you're talking about is too small to be a significant source of water. The Palestinians (like Jordan, who also enjoys benefits coming from the peace accords it signed) buy water from Israel. Water is a scarce resource in that area, so it's no surprise that it has political significance. I don't intend to single you out, and this goes for everyone posting about some far away region that's a bit more complex than what this or that source claims. I guess it's a matter of personality, but I don't feel comfortable talking about politics of far away regions, or even of my own region in some areas. I would rather talk about the simple easy stuff that I feel confident about, like this weird paragraph in the latest C++ standard. Then I wouldn't make embarrassing claims that are basically pre-chewed propaganda for the usefully ignorant foreigners. Except the Rust people. They are the devil!
    - 2y ago
TiredOfLife 2y ago
Gaza gets billions of dollars in aid. They could spend it on desalination plants, but they choose to spend it on buying rockets to launch at Israel.

BenFranklin100 2y ago

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WaxProlix 2y ago
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DoreenMichele 2y ago
I am opposed to the practice of raping people as a war tactic. And I wish Israel would get its boot off of Gaza's water supply.
- nec4b 2y ago
  Why don't you wish Hamas would take the billions it got from international help to build desalination plants instead using it to build rockets. Even worse they dug out the water pipes that were gifted to them to use them for rockets.
  - DoreenMichele 2y ago
    Having been a homemaker, among other life experiences, I'm well aware that if you are someone's bitch, no amount of "fixing" things within that prison actually fixes fuck all. It looks to me like Gaza wants water self sufficiency and self determination. I support such goals. Why do you care what I think? I'm a dirt poor blogger and merely a woman in a man's world. All the evidence suggests that absolutely no one listens to me or respects me, so I'm baffled that some people feel so compelled to tell me what opinions I'm allowed to hold and express in public.
    - nec4b 2y ago
      >>Why do you care what I think? Because I want to understand where you are coming from and have a logical argument with you. But now that understand that is not a goal on your side, I don't care anymore.
lrkrsBlurkn 2y ago
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joomooru 2y ago
Raping and killing innocent civilians is an abhorrent crime. So we both agree that what Israel has done in Gaza (40,000 killed) and the systemic rape of Palestinian prisoners is abhorrent as well? What say you, Ben? [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-ham... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#Sexual_abuse_and_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp#Sexu...
- BenFranklin100 2y ago
  Whether your Al Jazeera source is true or not, Doreen was the one who suggested rape and murder is a justifiable means of resistance. What don’t you go ask her?
  - enterprise_cog 2y ago
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ls612 2y ago

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Lebanon.

DoreenMichele 2y ago
That's not my impression. Some time ago, I tried to sort out why there was conflict in Gaza and there's a complex history going back at least a thousand years. Saying conflict between Israel and Lebanon is wholly unrelated to conflict between Israel and Gaza is like saying stuff happening in the US state of Georgia has nothing to do with its neighbor Alabama. I'm failing to readily find an online blurb that supports my understanding. But that detail fails to convince me my understanding is wholly in error.
- luuurker 2y ago
  I wouldn't say that currently there's a conflict between Israel and Lebanon, but Hezbollah is in Lebanon and has a lot of power there. They've been launching rockets at Israel and Israel has been killing their higher ups and targetting their ammo. Depending on how you look at this, you can even call it a proxy war as Hezbollah is supported by Iran. Curiously (or not), one of those injured by the pagers blowing up was the Iranian ambassador... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-ambassador-lebanon-injured-by-pager-explosion-2024-09-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-ambassador-l...
  - DoreenMichele 2y ago
    I'm not the one who brought up Lebanon as a proxy for Hezbollah. I'm just attempting to reply as best I can in a good faith fashion knowing that's not how most people are trying to reply. Most people on the Internet are looking to win an argument, not engage in discussion. I appreciate your comment as it adds information rather than picking a fight, but I'm somewhat inclined to step away from this nonsense at this point.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  That complex history goes back to the 7th century. Feel free to ask me anything about it - I'm not an expert but I've spent the past year and a half learning Arabic language and learning both their and our own history here. I'll try to give you as balanced an answer as I can. You are right - the conflict in Lebanon is related to the conflict in Gaza. That is because despite efforts to frame the conflict as "Israel against 2 million poor Palestinians" the real conflict is "2 billion Muslims against Israel". Every time we have a conflict with one of them, the others jump in to attack us. What's worse, they deliberately keep the Palestinians impoverished and suffering to fester conflict - they say this blatantly. The Palestinian cause is not about creating a state to care for the Palestinian people. The Palestinian cause is about creating an Islamic state to displace the Jewish state, and the Palestinian people are the tool to use to pressure the Jewish state and other interested states. They say this clearly - both the Palestinians and the other Arab nations. But that line is so different from Western line of thinking that I know you find it incredible. I implore you to simply read what they themselves say.

luuurker 2y ago

> I wish there wasn't so much conflict but sometimes the people resorting to violence have been essentially left with no other meaningful solution. They've been trying to kill each other for years, even when they had other solutions and when Israel was the underdog. The difference in power now is huge, but it's always the same story... if some on both sides had their way, the other side would be wiped without a thought.

jiggawatts 2y ago
Millenia. They’ve been at this since biblical times. This is an ongoing culture war like Sunni vs Shia or Protestant vs Catholic. The original people involved in the fight are long dead from old age, replaced by generation after generation claiming to be the victim (on both sides, of course). This is why it’s best to stay out of it and watch from a safe distance. There is no right or wrong, good vs evil, victim and oppressor. It’s A vs B, cats vs dogs, my sports team vs your sports team. Israel happens to have the technological edge at the moment, but that’s after a couple of thousand years of being a powerless diaspora victim to oppression and actual genocide. Conversely, their opponents cry victim while we all full well know that if they got the military upper hand they’d do to the Israelis the same or worse. It’s depressing to see this from the outside, watching the long term damage wrought by what amounts to mind viruses. That’s all religions are: particularly addictive memes. Memes that kill hosts to protect themselves from other memes. If you’ve picked a side, you’ve picked a meme you’d like to be infected by. I prefer the vaccine.
- Sabinus 2y ago
  >This is why it’s best to stay out of it and watch from a safe distance. There is no right or wrong, good vs evil, victim and oppressor. It’s A vs B, cats vs dogs, my sports team vs your sports team. It serves the interests of the US to have a reliable ally in the region. Previously to the US fracking revolution, Middle East oil was very important to the oil supply for US allies. Of course now oil has less geopolitical importance and the US has no great interest in protecting Asian-European trade we'll see how far that partnership will continue.

dotancohen 2y ago

> Israel controls the water supply in Gaza. 1. That is a completely different subject - Beirut is in Lebanon, not Gaza. 2. Israel _supplies_ Gaza with water. So Israel controls the water supply in Gaza just like your own water company supplies you with water. And if you were to walk into the offices of the water company and burn the workers' children to death and murder them and kidnap them, well, don't be surprised if they turn off your water supply.

DoreenMichele 2y ago
Israel "supplies" Gaza with water because the source of Wadi Gaza (the Gaza River) happens to be on Israeli land. That's like saying "The US supplies Mexico with water" because the Colorado River originates in the US and the mouth of it is on Mexican soil. Reality: America does all in its power to give as little water as possible to Mexico and the water that reaches the Gulf is a mere trickle, having been largely syphoned off by multiple US states before that point. What I've read indicates Israel controls the water supply to Gaza and uses and abuses that fact in a hostile fashion.
- oomphoo 2y ago
  I think what the author of the parent post meant was that Israel supplies Gaza with water via water pipes. The river that you're talking about is too small to be a significant source of water. The Palestinians (like Jordan, who also enjoys benefits coming from the peace accords it signed) buy water from Israel. Water is a scarce resource in that area, so it's no surprise that it has political significance. I don't intend to single you out, and this goes for everyone posting about some far away region that's a bit more complex than what this or that source claims. I guess it's a matter of personality, but I don't feel comfortable talking about politics of far away regions, or even of my own region in some areas. I would rather talk about the simple easy stuff that I feel confident about, like this weird paragraph in the latest C++ standard. Then I wouldn't make embarrassing claims that are basically pre-chewed propaganda for the usefully ignorant foreigners. Except the Rust people. They are the devil!
  - 2y ago

TiredOfLife 2y ago

Gaza gets billions of dollars in aid. They could spend it on desalination plants, but they choose to spend it on buying rockets to launch at Israel.