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Again, it is still not established as a fact that whatever hit the football field and killed those children came from Hezbollah (Personally, I do believe this i

by tmnvix 2y ago

Again, it is still not established as a fact that whatever hit the football field and killed those children came from Hezbollah (Personally, I do believe this is possible. I do not believe that this could have been deliberate). However, I do owe you an apology. In an earlier comment I claimed that you had implied that Hezbollah was deliberately targeting civilians in this latest conflict and after rereading it seems you haven't made this claim. Sorry.

dotancohen 2y ago
Do you think that missile came thousands of kilometers away from Ukraine? Do you think it was a Houthi missile? We've seen misfires of Iron Dome rockets (I've literally been watching Iron Dome rockets firing from my back yard for years) and they look nothing like the explosion seen by this rocket - or the damage. And yes, we did have a civilian killed by a misfired Iron Dome, and immediately said so. What level of proof are you looking for? Hezbollah even claimed responsibility then retracted it when it was found to have hit a non-military target.
- tmnvix 2y ago
  > What level of proof are you looking for? It seems pretty clear that independent verification of the debris would settle this conclusively. Hasn't happened. Why?
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    What other rocket attack has been independently verified? Why such a high standard for this one particular attack? It has no features different from any other Hezbollah attacks against Israel - and there have been literally thousands of such rocket attacks recently. In any case, go look at the footage of the explosion - it was caught by multiple cameras. Or go to Majdal Shams (I have been there many times, though not since the attack) and talk to residents. They all confirm from where the rocket came and in which direction it was heading. This isn't the type of rocket that Israel uses at all.
    - tmnvix 2y ago
      > Why such a high standard for this one particular attack? Because it was used as justification for a major escalation. > Hezbollah attacks against Israel - and there have been literally thousands of such rocket attacks recently. It does. Hezbollah denied it. They haven't been in the habit of doing that. > This isn't the type of rocket that Israel uses at all. Again, you are making claims without possibly being sure of them - unless you take the Israeli government's word for it - you cannot possibly be sure. Neither can I. Anyhow, as it's clear that you are unwilling to entertain the possibility that this was not a Hezbollah rocket, I don't think there is anything to be gained from continuing this discussion. I note that you are commenting from Israel. I am not. I'm a long way from this conflict. I hope that you and your loved ones are safe and can soon enjoy the kind of security and freedoms that most of us take for granted.

by tmnvix 2y ago

dotancohen 2y ago

Do you think that missile came thousands of kilometers away from Ukraine? Do you think it was a Houthi missile? We've seen misfires of Iron Dome rockets (I've literally been watching Iron Dome rockets firing from my back yard for years) and they look nothing like the explosion seen by this rocket - or the damage. And yes, we did have a civilian killed by a misfired Iron Dome, and immediately said so. What level of proof are you looking for? Hezbollah even claimed responsibility then retracted it when it was found to have hit a non-military target.

tmnvix 2y ago
> What level of proof are you looking for? It seems pretty clear that independent verification of the debris would settle this conclusively. Hasn't happened. Why?
- dotancohen 2y ago
  What other rocket attack has been independently verified? Why such a high standard for this one particular attack? It has no features different from any other Hezbollah attacks against Israel - and there have been literally thousands of such rocket attacks recently. In any case, go look at the footage of the explosion - it was caught by multiple cameras. Or go to Majdal Shams (I have been there many times, though not since the attack) and talk to residents. They all confirm from where the rocket came and in which direction it was heading. This isn't the type of rocket that Israel uses at all.
  - tmnvix 2y ago
    > Why such a high standard for this one particular attack? Because it was used as justification for a major escalation. > Hezbollah attacks against Israel - and there have been literally thousands of such rocket attacks recently. It does. Hezbollah denied it. They haven't been in the habit of doing that. > This isn't the type of rocket that Israel uses at all. Again, you are making claims without possibly being sure of them - unless you take the Israeli government's word for it - you cannot possibly be sure. Neither can I. Anyhow, as it's clear that you are unwilling to entertain the possibility that this was not a Hezbollah rocket, I don't think there is anything to be gained from continuing this discussion. I note that you are commenting from Israel. I am not. I'm a long way from this conflict. I hope that you and your loved ones are safe and can soon enjoy the kind of security and freedoms that most of us take for granted.