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Can you explain what do you mean by "gaslighting" in this context? We seem to have a different understanding of what that term means?

by rendx 2y ago

varispeed 2y ago
Gaslighting is when someone manipulates you into questioning your own perception or reality. By dismissing the concern, minimising the abuse, and subtly shifting blame, you're continuing to do just that - making me question whether the emotional manipulation described is valid, which is exactly what gaslighting is.
- rendx 2y ago
  Gaslighting is not simply someone sharing a different perspective than you. It requires an ongoing relationship with dependencies, and orchestration. By using the term for simple situations like this, you are minimizing what actual gaslighting entails, and how destructive it can be for someone's psyche. https://time.com/6262891/psychology-terms-misused-gaslighting-toxic-narcissist/ https://time.com/6262891/psychology-terms-misused-gaslightin... How are you reading my comment as something where I make you doubt your perception? Can we not simply disagree, and share our different perspectives? Can we not hold different opinions about things, even concurrently, in our minds? I can unfold, and explain my position more, if you're interested. This is a place of discussion, after all. How would you say should I describe my opinion so you don't receive it as gaslighting? I did not mean to imply that the emotional manipulation is not "valid". I was trying to say that it can be handled in a way where the person with the problem, which is the person consciously or unconsciously trying to employ manipulation (likely because they were raised like that) can be provided with an opportunity to learn and grow. We all were raised more or less in manipulative ways, so we all are carrying it inside. A relationship can be the place to heal it, if both partners want to do that. It's not the gadget that enables abuse. Abusers will find whatever "tools" and situations to do that. This was my point. A hammer is a hammer, and it's not the hammer's fault if someone uses it to smash in my head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle
  - varispeed 2y ago
    Yes, dude, keep gaslighting. I think you need therapy if you are like this in real life.
    - rendx 2y ago
      You are using techniques of diversion instead of engaging with the content of the discussion.

Can you explain what do you mean by "gaslighting" in this context? We seem to have a different understanding of what that term means?

by rendx 2y ago

Can you explain what do you mean by "gaslighting" in this context? We seem to have a different understanding of what that term means?

varispeed 2y ago

Gaslighting is when someone manipulates you into questioning your own perception or reality. By dismissing the concern, minimising the abuse, and subtly shifting blame, you're continuing to do just that - making me question whether the emotional manipulation described is valid, which is exactly what gaslighting is.

rendx 2y ago
Gaslighting is not simply someone sharing a different perspective than you. It requires an ongoing relationship with dependencies, and orchestration. By using the term for simple situations like this, you are minimizing what actual gaslighting entails, and how destructive it can be for someone's psyche. https://time.com/6262891/psychology-terms-misused-gaslighting-toxic-narcissist/ https://time.com/6262891/psychology-terms-misused-gaslightin... How are you reading my comment as something where I make you doubt your perception? Can we not simply disagree, and share our different perspectives? Can we not hold different opinions about things, even concurrently, in our minds? I can unfold, and explain my position more, if you're interested. This is a place of discussion, after all. How would you say should I describe my opinion so you don't receive it as gaslighting? I did not mean to imply that the emotional manipulation is not "valid". I was trying to say that it can be handled in a way where the person with the problem, which is the person consciously or unconsciously trying to employ manipulation (likely because they were raised like that) can be provided with an opportunity to learn and grow. We all were raised more or less in manipulative ways, so we all are carrying it inside. A relationship can be the place to heal it, if both partners want to do that. It's not the gadget that enables abuse. Abusers will find whatever "tools" and situations to do that. This was my point. A hammer is a hammer, and it's not the hammer's fault if someone uses it to smash in my head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle
- varispeed 2y ago
  Yes, dude, keep gaslighting. I think you need therapy if you are like this in real life.
  - rendx 2y ago
    You are using techniques of diversion instead of engaging with the content of the discussion.