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One of the points I tried to make with this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41568670 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41568670 The issue is that once

One of the points I tried to make with this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41568670 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41568670 The issue is that once you have a "democracy" doing this, and the world's largest military saying "yes, good, this was the right move". Then you've welcomed this new model of warfare. This is different from suicide bombings, which have been effectively universally condemned and are not an active strategy of any real military.

giraffe_lady 2y ago
When you started posting here did you ever think you'd see HN form a strong consensus in favor of terrorism tactics? I'm pretty harsh on the place but this caught even me by surprise.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  How is this terror, when it very precisely targeted militants. These devices were for use by Hezbollah on their private communications network. One civilian (an 8 year old girl) dead is a tragedy, but considering that over a dozen militants (and maybe up to 40) have been eliminated, that is a civilian:militant ratio unrivaled in history. Note that these Hezbollah militants killed 12 Israeli children two months ago. So if one really cares about civilians, eliminated Hezbollah is probably in their interest.
  - sifar 2y ago
    If you gaze long into the abyss ....
  - aaomidi 2y ago
    Because, surprisingly, terrorists are also people who live around others who aren’t terrorists. A kid died in these attacks and hundreds of other random civilians have had life altering injuries because of it.
    - dotancohen 2y ago
      > A kid died in these attacks and hundreds of other random civilians have had life altering injuries because of it. Yes, I address that in my other comments on this thread. The loss of that child is tragic. You'll notice how in threads about Israel, many people comment on the tragic loss of a child and completely ignore the 12+ dead and 3000 injured terrorists. That is a civilian:militant ratio unmatched in any warfare. No other operation in history has caused literally thousands of militant injuries and over a dozen targeted militant deaths at the cost of a single civilian. If this operation prevents another Hezbollah rocket from killing another 12 children playing football, like Hezbollah did two months ago, then the operation was well worth it.
      - aaomidi 2y ago
        Do you think that all the injuries were to terrorists? I’m not even counting the death. I’m counting all the injuries that happened with everyone else who was in the vicinity of this terror attack.
        dotancohen 2y ago
        Do you think that all the injuries caused by Hezbollah to Israelis were to soldiers? Are you aware that they murdered 12 Israeli children two months ago? This very targeted attach had probably the highest militant to civilian ratio in the history of warfare. There have been over 3000 injured militants. To a dozen civilians? What will satisfy you? And if you're so concerned about civilian deaths, please show me where you've ever posted concern about Israeli civilian deaths. Or did you forget who started this war with Hezbollah.
        aaomidi 2y ago
        One side is a terrorist organization. The other side is a self proclaimed most moral army of the world. I’m sorry that I don’t put these both on equal footing. Are you suggesting I should? And yes, history exists. There’s enough blame to be thrown around. Neither side(s) of this conflict have been angels and neither side(s) of this conflict are universally justified in their actions. Based on your commentary, I can’t really find a line you’d say Israel shouldn’t cross. Is there such a line for you? If so what is it and I’m curious why you’d say that’s the line.
- scarecrowbob 2y ago
  I mean, this is the only place where I get most of these kinds of opinions, as I've excised them from my other media channels. HN is a great place to go to get the opinions of the Patrick Batemans of the world. So, no, I am not surprised. They don't think this kind of violence will ever be visited upon them. Since they are absolutely assured that God/History or whatever is on their side, of course the only thing worth talking about is how cool it is.

giraffe_lady 2y ago

When you started posting here did you ever think you'd see HN form a strong consensus in favor of terrorism tactics? I'm pretty harsh on the place but this caught even me by surprise.

dotancohen 2y ago
How is this terror, when it very precisely targeted militants. These devices were for use by Hezbollah on their private communications network. One civilian (an 8 year old girl) dead is a tragedy, but considering that over a dozen militants (and maybe up to 40) have been eliminated, that is a civilian:militant ratio unrivaled in history. Note that these Hezbollah militants killed 12 Israeli children two months ago. So if one really cares about civilians, eliminated Hezbollah is probably in their interest.
- sifar 2y ago
  If you gaze long into the abyss ....
- aaomidi 2y ago
  Because, surprisingly, terrorists are also people who live around others who aren’t terrorists. A kid died in these attacks and hundreds of other random civilians have had life altering injuries because of it.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    > A kid died in these attacks and hundreds of other random civilians have had life altering injuries because of it. Yes, I address that in my other comments on this thread. The loss of that child is tragic. You'll notice how in threads about Israel, many people comment on the tragic loss of a child and completely ignore the 12+ dead and 3000 injured terrorists. That is a civilian:militant ratio unmatched in any warfare. No other operation in history has caused literally thousands of militant injuries and over a dozen targeted militant deaths at the cost of a single civilian. If this operation prevents another Hezbollah rocket from killing another 12 children playing football, like Hezbollah did two months ago, then the operation was well worth it.
    - aaomidi 2y ago
      Do you think that all the injuries were to terrorists? I’m not even counting the death. I’m counting all the injuries that happened with everyone else who was in the vicinity of this terror attack.
      - dotancohen 2y ago
        Do you think that all the injuries caused by Hezbollah to Israelis were to soldiers? Are you aware that they murdered 12 Israeli children two months ago? This very targeted attach had probably the highest militant to civilian ratio in the history of warfare. There have been over 3000 injured militants. To a dozen civilians? What will satisfy you? And if you're so concerned about civilian deaths, please show me where you've ever posted concern about Israeli civilian deaths. Or did you forget who started this war with Hezbollah.
        aaomidi 2y ago
        One side is a terrorist organization. The other side is a self proclaimed most moral army of the world. I’m sorry that I don’t put these both on equal footing. Are you suggesting I should? And yes, history exists. There’s enough blame to be thrown around. Neither side(s) of this conflict have been angels and neither side(s) of this conflict are universally justified in their actions. Based on your commentary, I can’t really find a line you’d say Israel shouldn’t cross. Is there such a line for you? If so what is it and I’m curious why you’d say that’s the line.
scarecrowbob 2y ago
I mean, this is the only place where I get most of these kinds of opinions, as I've excised them from my other media channels. HN is a great place to go to get the opinions of the Patrick Batemans of the world. So, no, I am not surprised. They don't think this kind of violence will ever be visited upon them. Since they are absolutely assured that God/History or whatever is on their side, of course the only thing worth talking about is how cool it is.