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"Also, you'll see that if you try to sell the ticket anywhere for anything above the original price, we have the right to cancel your ticket (and refund your mo

"Also, you'll see that if you try to sell the ticket anywhere for anything above the original price, we have the right to cancel your ticket (and refund your money). this is something I intend to enforce." I thought this was great at first, but I wonder how this will work. Won't canceling the ticket hurt the person who buys it from a scalper? I don't see a way for him to stop scalpers from selling them, and after it's out of their hands the scalper doesn't care if the ticket is cancelled. I foresee buyers not finding out until the event and being angry.

roc 14y ago
Possibly. But I think the key difference is that Ticketmaster, et al. aren't promoting this. So no-one is likely to even realize these events are occurring unless they've gone to, or were directed to, louisck.net. So that leaves, most likely but not by no means certainly, only people who buy scalped tickets who should've known better. And I can't imagine they'll find any sympathetic ears, or amount to a notable contingent compared to Louis fans who grok the pseudo-honor system play he's making and will be far more angry at the jilted scalped-ticket-buyer for having purchased from scalpers in the first place.
- ryanwhitney 14y ago
  "only people who buy scalped tickets who should've known better" I'm under the impression that you can still resell tickets, but not for over face value. So people are still going to see tickets for sale on sites other than louisck.net. And those who check his site and see SOLD OUT will probably head out pretty quickly instead of sitting around to read the terms of sale. A consumer seeing tickets on a third party site, checking Louie's site and seeing "sold out" then search again on third party sites seems very plausible. Surely some transactions will get through on third party sites before his people can get it taken down. And a no-sympathy approach towards those buyers would be a terrible move.
  - roc 14y ago
    Absolutely. I agree that honest 'victims' will happen. Outright ticket fraud happens all the time when people deal with scalpers. I was just trying to explain why I don't think it'll be a notably larger problem than with any other event nor do I see the victims getting even the usual (low) amount of sympathy. There are simply too many people who agree with Louis' efforts to keep his work as affordable as possible for there to be notable blowback on him.
excuse-me 14y ago
Knowing that might not be allowed in reduces the chance that you will buy a scalped ticket, which increases the risk for the scalper, which decreases their profit margin - which means they will pre-buy fewer tickets. Otherwise it's going to be instantly sold out by scripted bots.
SoftwareMaven 14y ago
Tie the tickets to a credit card, require the old and new credit cards to both be part of the swap transaction online. Ask both how much the transaction cost. That's a lot of infrastructure for a single tour, but if he got it working well, he could turn it around to other performers to use.
- ryanwhitney 14y ago
  That's what a few major tours are requiring nowadays: paperless tickets where you don't even get a ticket, just your card. With this, he's still sending out paper tickets though. It'll be interesting to see how this in-between method will work as he does seem very serious about cancelling sold-for-profit tickets. Do third party ticketing sites have a way of letting tours get ahold of those who bought second hand tickets.

roc 14y ago

Possibly. But I think the key difference is that Ticketmaster, et al. aren't promoting this. So no-one is likely to even realize these events are occurring unless they've gone to, or were directed to, louisck.net. So that leaves, most likely but not by no means certainly, only people who buy scalped tickets who should've known better. And I can't imagine they'll find any sympathetic ears, or amount to a notable contingent compared to Louis fans who grok the pseudo-honor system play he's making and will be far more angry at the jilted scalped-ticket-buyer for having purchased from scalpers in the first place.

ryanwhitney 14y ago
"only people who buy scalped tickets who should've known better" I'm under the impression that you can still resell tickets, but not for over face value. So people are still going to see tickets for sale on sites other than louisck.net. And those who check his site and see SOLD OUT will probably head out pretty quickly instead of sitting around to read the terms of sale. A consumer seeing tickets on a third party site, checking Louie's site and seeing "sold out" then search again on third party sites seems very plausible. Surely some transactions will get through on third party sites before his people can get it taken down. And a no-sympathy approach towards those buyers would be a terrible move.
- roc 14y ago
  Absolutely. I agree that honest 'victims' will happen. Outright ticket fraud happens all the time when people deal with scalpers. I was just trying to explain why I don't think it'll be a notably larger problem than with any other event nor do I see the victims getting even the usual (low) amount of sympathy. There are simply too many people who agree with Louis' efforts to keep his work as affordable as possible for there to be notable blowback on him.

excuse-me 14y ago

Knowing that might not be allowed in reduces the chance that you will buy a scalped ticket, which increases the risk for the scalper, which decreases their profit margin - which means they will pre-buy fewer tickets. Otherwise it's going to be instantly sold out by scripted bots.

SoftwareMaven 14y ago

Tie the tickets to a credit card, require the old and new credit cards to both be part of the swap transaction online. Ask both how much the transaction cost. That's a lot of infrastructure for a single tour, but if he got it working well, he could turn it around to other performers to use.

ryanwhitney 14y ago
That's what a few major tours are requiring nowadays: paperless tickets where you don't even get a ticket, just your card. With this, he's still sending out paper tickets though. It'll be interesting to see how this in-between method will work as he does seem very serious about cancelling sold-for-profit tickets. Do third party ticketing sites have a way of letting tours get ahold of those who bought second hand tickets.