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If younger people in the same position were paid less, yes, that would be ageist. Nobody's arguing against that. But, as you said, C-suite comps won't go down.

If younger people in the same position were paid less, yes, that would be ageist. Nobody's arguing against that. But, as you said, C-suite comps won't go down. Neither do VP comps. But the people rehired, oddly, are all younger. And that is ageist. Not if they axe the position. Neither if it's in a single instance. But if, at scale, older people are fired, younger people are rehired, and comp doesn't change significantly - yeah, sorry, that's ageist. There's a reason many companies instead offer folks a juicy "if you leave, have a chunk of money" package - they do want younger people for one reason or another (and I don't think it's fundamentally wrong to want a change) and this a way to do this in a way that does not discriminate. IBM's leaning hard into being an asshole instead. There's a reason they've had reams of discrimination lawsuits. Significantly more than comparable companies. Let's not make excuses for them, they have lawyers for that.

manuelmoreale 2y ago
> But the people rehired, oddly, are all younger. And that is ageist. Is it though? Or is it just that younger people are just cheaper to hire? It’s the same reasoning in reverse. Older people with more experience demand a higher pay. And if you’re motivated—again, wrongly—just by money you probably will end up hiring younger. Because it’s cheaper. And again, I think it’s dumb. Just not ageist. It’s probably greed which is not uncommon in the business world.
- groby_b 2y ago
  Again, as I said in my message: Pay for position stays the same, independent of age. Firing is disproportionately old people who get replaced with young people at the same pay That's the issue.
  - manuelmoreale 2y ago
    Does pay stay the same? Genuinely asking. Like is someone with 15 years of experience not getting paid more than someone with 1, even if hired for the same position? And we can obviously argue how that’s even possible but that’s a separate issue altogether.
    - groby_b 2y ago
      I mean, that's the same as saying "are elves paid the same? We can obviously argue how that's even possible, but that's a separate issue altogether" It's a nonsensical hypothetical.

manuelmoreale 2y ago

> But the people rehired, oddly, are all younger. And that is ageist. Is it though? Or is it just that younger people are just cheaper to hire? It’s the same reasoning in reverse. Older people with more experience demand a higher pay. And if you’re motivated—again, wrongly—just by money you probably will end up hiring younger. Because it’s cheaper. And again, I think it’s dumb. Just not ageist. It’s probably greed which is not uncommon in the business world.

groby_b 2y ago
Again, as I said in my message: Pay for position stays the same, independent of age. Firing is disproportionately old people who get replaced with young people at the same pay That's the issue.
- manuelmoreale 2y ago
  Does pay stay the same? Genuinely asking. Like is someone with 15 years of experience not getting paid more than someone with 1, even if hired for the same position? And we can obviously argue how that’s even possible but that’s a separate issue altogether.
  - groby_b 2y ago
    I mean, that's the same as saying "are elves paid the same? We can obviously argue how that's even possible, but that's a separate issue altogether" It's a nonsensical hypothetical.